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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2009, 04:54:35 PM » |
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Considering that Shaktar won this year, Zenit, CSKA , sevilla past winners we should be on par with this group. CL dropouts are not guaranteed winners as Bayern should have won easily this year. The transfer market is still key as of right now these teams listed would pose a great threat. Also these teams really care about this trophy while the larger teams are focused on CL and the league. Parma got to the final agaisnt CSKA using a B lineup as they were fighting for relegation. Any team can make it in this tournament as long as they are focused. Good to look forward to the first round but if that becomes a battle then there are problems as Lazio should roll over teams like that.
As for the comments above the footbal factories was played on tv last year in primetime nothing wrong there 07
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2009, 05:43:48 PM » |
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Ajax WARNING - ASIDE FROM BEING OFF TOPIC, THIS IS GROSSLY OFFENSIVE . FURTHER INFRACTIONS WILL RESULT IN SUSPENSION. Yeah go on then.. why don't you start to cut out the true Lazali of this forum, then see what mess we are in? Pia Fedelis did nothing wrong. Unbelievable. This forum is going to the dogs, gonna be full of part timers before we know it. How does warning someone for that type of remark come remotely close to "cutting out the true Laziali"?
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 08:08:56 AM » |
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Ajax WARNING - ASIDE FROM BEING OFF TOPIC, THIS IS GROSSLY OFFENSIVE . FURTHER INFRACTIONS WILL RESULT IN SUSPENSION. Yeah go on then.. why don't you start to cut out the true Lazali of this forum, then see what mess we are in? Pia Fedelis did nothing wrong. Unbelievable. This forum is going to the dogs, gonna be full of part timers before we know it. How does warning someone for that type of remark come remotely close to "cutting out the true Laziali"? Warnings will eventually lead into a ban, and to my knowledge, Pia is one of the couple handful of members (generous) who care only for Lazio, doesn't support English teams/Spanish teams whatever. He did nothing wrong - work the rest out for yourself.
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 08:23:19 AM » |
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Seriously guys, you're going to argue the orthodox issue over whether or not a a chant by Feynoord fans against Ajax fans is or is not offensive in a thread about Lazio in the EL. I agree that it is in fact offensive and anti-semitic and can't possibly imagine how it it isn't (but that's my opinion). To argue that anyone who takes issue with the comments is simply not a true Lazio fan is rediculous. Come on, let's be reasonable here.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 08:28:39 AM » |
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Seriously guys, you're going to argue the orthodox issue over whether or not a a chant by Feynoord fans against Ajax fans is or is not offensive in a thread about Lazio in the EL. I agree that it is in fact offensive and anti-semitic and can't possibly imagine how it it isn't (but that's my opinion). To argue that anyone who takes issue with the comments is simply not a true Lazio fan is rediculous. Come on, let's be reasonable here.
No, you mis-understand me. What i am saying is that Pia is a true laziali, i.e, as i've said, somebody who only cares for Lazio, unless i'm mistaken. Because this website is called Lazioforever, personally, the most important people are indeed those people - Lazio Lazio Lazio as the supported team. I find it incredibly harsh you wish to warn somebody like Pia, who was merely stating what Feyer fans chant about Ajax. This website can ill-afford to remove people that care only for Lazio, otherwise it will turn (and is already turning) into a standard football forum. For heavens sake, we all know the history of Lazio fans etc with being anti Semetic etc. It's not like it's going to offend anyone here, plus are there any Ajax fans here?
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2009, 08:42:22 AM » |
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Fair enough, then we need to be a little clearer about how we state things. The post in question was phrased as a statement, and did not include any explanation to indicate that the phrase was being disassociated from the author (i.e. Feynoord fans often say...). For heavens sake, we all know the history of Lazio fans etc with being anti Semetic etc. It's not like it's going to offend anyone here, plus are there any Ajax fans here? This is why we are diligent about this, we do not and will not ever accept anyone speaking for Lazio fans as a whole and this "history" is exactly the kind of thing we'd like to rid ourselves of. This reputation is unfounded and damaging to Lazio.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2009, 08:46:57 AM » |
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Lazio will enter a playoff round in a bid to qualify for the group stage. It will be a two legged game. Now, presumably, there would be a seeding system for this playoff round, because participating, overall, 48 teams will qualify for the group stage. Of those 48, in Lazio's round, will be a significant number of teams who lost in the third qualifying round for the champions league
So, basically, fuck Genk and Hereenveen. There are usually some very big names who miss out in the final round of Champions league qualification. If Lazio are indeed seeded, there is an extremely good chance they will get through the group stages. I see the following teams as being seeded and therefore Lazio won't play them:
Zenit, Benfica, Ajax, 5th Placed spanish team because either Villareal or A Madrid are big enough.
I am unsure as to whether Everton and Aston Villa will be seeded - in terms of european experience, no, but they are bigger names then the likes of Guingamp, Teplice and Sion. It's really only possible to judge what can happen, however, when seedings become official. There are, however, a lot of weak teams from the round before Lazio that they could meet. I'm getting mixed info about what stage we enter the competition. In the Italian press they give Roma an early start, and we don't start until September. boh?
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2009, 08:49:54 AM » |
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Lazio will enter a playoff round in a bid to qualify for the group stage. It will be a two legged game. Now, presumably, there would be a seeding system for this playoff round, because participating, overall, 48 teams will qualify for the group stage. Of those 48, in Lazio's round, will be a significant number of teams who lost in the third qualifying round for the champions league
So, basically, fuck Genk and Hereenveen. There are usually some very big names who miss out in the final round of Champions league qualification. If Lazio are indeed seeded, there is an extremely good chance they will get through the group stages. I see the following teams as being seeded and therefore Lazio won't play them:
Zenit, Benfica, Ajax, 5th Placed spanish team because either Villareal or A Madrid are big enough.
I am unsure as to whether Everton and Aston Villa will be seeded - in terms of european experience, no, but they are bigger names then the likes of Guingamp, Teplice and Sion. It's really only possible to judge what can happen, however, when seedings become official. There are, however, a lot of weak teams from the round before Lazio that they could meet. I'm getting mixed info about what stage we enter the competition. In the Italian press they give Roma an early start, and we don't start until September. boh? playoff round before the group stages as do Genoa. Rioma have to go through another round
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2009, 11:46:32 AM » |
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yo...hope to draw some minnows from Scandinavia (no offence)
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2009, 02:36:49 PM » |
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Seriously guys, you're going to argue the orthodox issue over whether or not a a chant by Feynoord fans against Ajax fans is or is not offensive in a thread about Lazio in the EL. I agree that it is in fact offensive and anti-semitic and can't possibly imagine how it it isn't (but that's my opinion). To argue that anyone who takes issue with the comments is simply not a true Lazio fan is rediculous. Come on, let's be reasonable here.
No, you mis-understand me. What i am saying is that Pia is a true laziali, i.e, as i've said, somebody who only cares for Lazio, unless i'm mistaken. Because this website is called Lazioforever, personally, the most important people are indeed those people - Lazio Lazio Lazio as the supported team. I find it incredibly harsh you wish to warn somebody like Pia, who was merely stating what Feyer fans chant about Ajax. This website can ill-afford to remove people that care only for Lazio, otherwise it will turn (and is already turning) into a standard football forum. For heavens sake, we all know the history of Lazio fans etc with being anti Semetic etc. It's not like it's going to offend anyone here, plus are there any Ajax fans here? So because someone is a "true" Laziale in your books means they should be given privileges to say things that are clearly and blatantly offensive. And it obviously was not put forth in a manner that was merely "stating what Feyer fans chant about Ajax" thats completely twisting it around. Whatever it is an off topic conversation and I dont want to judge what someone else really meant by their own personal comment, I just do not see how you can possibly argue that warning. Regarding the Europa League my biggest fear is us going out early and completely letting us down with regards to playing in Europe again. We worked so hard for this we cant let it slip away and emberass ourselves. I just hope to see a strong showing and hopefully we manage to fo fairly deep.
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2009, 03:07:12 PM » |
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Regarding the Europa League my biggest fear is us going out early and completely letting us down with regards to playing in Europe again. We worked so hard for this we cant let it slip away and emberass ourselves. I just hope to see a strong showing and hopefully we manage to fo fairly deep. To make a serious run at this thing is going to require so key movement on the market. The one thing I really blame Lotito for is his failure to adequately stock the team ahead of the CL two years ago.I hope he's lerned his lesson.
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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2009, 04:27:24 PM » |
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Regarding the Europa League my biggest fear is us going out early and completely letting us down with regards to playing in Europe again. We worked so hard for this we cant let it slip away and emberass ourselves. I just hope to see a strong showing and hopefully we manage to fo fairly deep. To make a serious run at this thing is going to require so key movement on the market. The one thing I really blame Lotito for is his failure to adequately stock the team ahead of the CL two years ago.I hope he's lerned his lesson. Im not convinced he has yet. Yes, the squad has improved dramatically from last season to this season with additions like Lich, the extensions of Foggia recently, but contract issues with several players and the Zarate issue should have been sorted out already, so we could have gone into the mercato with a clean slate and just focused on the additions we needed. Its going to be a long summer I think.
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2009, 04:36:39 PM » |
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Regarding the Europa League my biggest fear is us going out early and completely letting us down with regards to playing in Europe again. We worked so hard for this we cant let it slip away and emberass ourselves. I just hope to see a strong showing and hopefully we manage to fo fairly deep. To make a serious run at this thing is going to require so key movement on the market. The one thing I really blame Lotito for is his failure to adequately stock the team ahead of the CL two years ago.I hope he's lerned his lesson. Im not convinced he has yet. Yes, the squad has improved dramatically from last season to this season with additions like Lich, the extensions of Foggia recently, but contract issues with several players and the Zarate issue should have been sorted out already, so we could have gone into the mercato with a clean slate and just focused on the additions we needed. Its going to be a long summer I think. Exactly. It is a long summer. It's all too easy to get kidded by the fact that other clubs have already done business - we will do our business as time goes on.
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2009, 08:55:54 AM » |
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I agree that it is in fact offensive and anti-semitic and can't possibly imagine how it it isn't (but that's my opinion).
I agree that it is in fact offensive and anti-semitic and can't possibly imagine how it it isn't (but that's my opinion).
Your opinion is moot, as it is uninformed; based solely on your own prejudice. Especially for you, being a fan of a team that has received similar accusations by media sources and individuals, it is a petty move. You are employing the very same tactics of those who mean to demonise Lazio and her fans - do you not see this? I am not a Feyenoord fan. As Theo said, Lazio is my only team. This does not mean I cannot celebrate a team from one of my favourite cities on the planet, whose team I have had the pleasure of seeing play. It is ridiculous for my words to assume themselves as "that of a Feyenoord fan" so as to clarify anyone's understanding. In the same regard, is it expected of the average forum member to consider each instance of defamation towards Roma (or any other team) as the words of a "Lazio fan", and not themselves? Not to mention the large weighting of this communities' membership are fans with loyalties with EPL teams who have on various instances openly displayed disdain for opposing teams - why have you not considered them with the same sort of censorship and ridicule? In defence of both Feyenoord and Het Legion (those responsible for the chants in questions), there is not anti-Semitic or offensive base to them whatsoever. As stated before, Ajax is a Jewish club - just as Amsterdam has always been a Jewish city. The fans, management and players openly identify as being Jewish. In fact, the F-Side (Ajax ultras) will commonly chant "Joden! Joden!" in support of their players. Consider the following images.  A huge Israeli flag as a banner by the F-Side. Please also note the tattoo, it being one of the official symbols of the F-Side (and correspondingly Ajax). Feyenoord's firm is staunchly anti-racist, which corresponds completely with the accepting and tolerant Dutch culture. In fact, all main firms of teams in the Eredivisione are anti-racist while maintaining an apolitical stance. The usage of "Joden" in regards to Ajax is only as a taunt, and really cannot be seen as anything else. Please consider the following article http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=24. Note that I do not support the militant Communist ideals in this article, but have only provided it as further proof of the opposition that Feyenoord fans have to racism. In my own defence, why, if these slogans were in fact mine and not that of Feyenoord, would I have said them in Dutch? There is no relevance whatsoever for me to be using it unless I was making specific reference. To conclude, I do not mean to derail this topic. It is just in this situation that I am finding myself needing to defend not only a team, but also its fans and myself. Your tactics were reactionary and were simply a reflection of your own ignorance. I personally look forward to Lazio playing Ajax.
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 12:24:28 PM » |
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If you really must have a full accounting....
1) Amsterdam's Jewish population numbers roughly 15-20k - in a city of 1 million - hardly what you'd call a "Jewish city" though it is the centre of Holand's Jewish community and their current mayor is jewish.
2) Ajax was not formed by jews and is not remotely a jewish team - never has been. They were taunted as such by opponents because they had several Jewish players on their teams. For some odd reason nobody can quite explain, the fans of Ajax though overwhelmingly non-jewish have adopted the jewish identity. The club is currently and actively seeking to stamp out this reputation because the reaction of other teams to the identity. In fact, Jewish supporters of Ajax find it difficult to attend games because of reaction of opposing fans to the Ajax fans. So yes by any reasonable measure, referring to a group of people as a "cancer" is generally not done in a sense of friendliness.
3) Even if all of this is acceptable to the vast majority of Dutch, this is not a Dutch forum and frankly there are places in this world where it it's acceptable to beat ones wife - Here, it will not be tollerated.
4) The opinion of the administration is of course prejudiced and biased - so is everyone's - who actually believes in objectivity? So let's get off it already. If we feel something is likely to call the forum or its members into disrepute we will act unflinchingly to curb it.
5)The opinion of the administration is not moot for obvious reasons.
6) The reality is that despite all of this we value your membership and would rather not have to kick anyone out. The administration of this forum seeks open and honest dialogue as often as possible on virtually any topic..but there are limits (yes, even for comments that bash riomer) and they will be enforced.
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