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« on: August 23, 2010, 06:54:01 AM » |
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I had hoped to start this topic at a time when the team was completely formed, and we had had a good chance to look at them play. Well, wečre a week out and therečs still talk of Santa Cruz etc. But we did get a good look at the team yesterday with Hernanes and it seems we have a couple options - or atleast Reja sees it that way.
It looks like either 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1.
I personally liked the second option with Hernanes as trequartista with the likes of Zarate or Foggia behind a single Floccari or Rocchi. boh?
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 06:59:46 AM » |
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In Reja's formation 3-5-2 Muslera Radu - Stendardo - (a transfer) Lichtsteiner Ledesma Garrido (Brocchi) Hernanes Zarate (Hernanes,Foggia) Rocchi (Zarate) Floccari In my favorite 4-1-2-1-2 (4-4-2 or 4-3-3 depend on the opponent) Muslera Lichtsteiner Stendardo Radu Garrido Ledesma Hernanes Foggia Zarate Rocchi Floccari Too attacking one?? Maybe.. I want to score 5 goals in every match even if I get 3 goals on the back.... Hernanes and Foggia to pass through Zarate behind the attackers and the Ro-Flo on top.... P.S. In PES 2010 and in FM 2010 is perfect  |
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 07:02:59 AM » |
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At the risk of repeating myself to the point of spam.... I like neither  4-4-2 is in Lazio's blood. We played some of the best football since the Scudetto days with that system. Not so long ago, Kolarov and Lichsteiner playing as full-backs bombing down the sides, terrific. Furthermore, the pair of them would often help out the almost certain probability that one of the CB's would be a complete joke (Siviglia or Cribari) to make our defence a tad stronger. Instead what we have now is two things; - A practically open, unprotected 3 part defence, 2 of which are average players at best, being generous. - Full backs being asked to do the job of out and out wingers should do i.e above and beyond the call of duty that an attacking FB would normally do. We all seen how Kolarov struggled to make that adjustment and now we are seeing it with Lichsteiner and who knows about Garrido, possibly as well. SImply put I do not like 3 at the back, it does not work, it is un-Lazio, and using it at Napoli he didn't take them anywhere serious in Europe at all. But the question is, which do I prefer , and the answer is 3-4-1-2/3-4-2-1 |
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 07:18:12 AM » |
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I just know that Reja will not go with 4-4-2 because of the following:
1) He loves 3-5-2 and all its variations
2) Lazio does not have wingers that can attack and defender (except Lichtsteiner)
3) Or decent full backs (except Lichtsteiner)
4) All of our defenders that are reasonably good seem to play better in the middle (Dias, Stendardo, Radu, Diakite)
I totally agree that 4-4-2 is a more balanced formation but it seems to have been surpassed these days but 4-2-3-1, which if we had the defenders I would like us to play. I would use Ledesma and Brocchi as the holding central midfield and Zarate, Hernanes and Foggia in support of Floccari.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 08:03:57 AM » |
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Yep, 4-4-2 would be my way as well, or given that Hernanes has arrived an can link midfield an attack well 4-3-1-2.
However, the likelyhood is that Reja will stick with 3 at the back and Lichsteiner/Garrido on the wings. I can't see anything but 3-4-1-2 from the mister and certainly I would prefer us to play two upfront rather than one as that could well leave the frontman totally isolated against better opposition.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 10:21:09 AM » |
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Yeah Reja 3 in the back seemed to be Reja's signature at Napoli too. I too would prefer a 4-4-2 with a diamond formation (Ledesma and Hernanes) but we have no real full backs of that quality. In any event, I've said previously that we may have been forcing Ledesma into an overly attacking style of play so perhaps with Hernanes in their now he may be able to settle into a more defensive midfield position. A 3-4-1-2 with Ledesma in that kind of role is as close as we're going to come.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 11:16:22 AM » |
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anything but 1 up front, it would be a wast to have any of our strikers sink back to more of an attacking midfield position. more to the point, I want Zarate to have a resurgence, and that will not happen with him sitting back. as I see it, not committing enough players in the box was a big problem last year. so any formation that promotes that is shit. so by default 3-4-1-2 wins
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Dias Radu Stendardo
Lichtsteiner Garrido
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Zarate Floccari
Defensive Sub: ?....I cant think who want to see less; diakite, DelNero, or Biava
Mid Sub: Foggia(for Herenanes or with a change of formation), Bresciano, Mauri, Gonzalez
Attacking Sub: Rocchi, Foggia(if need be), Kozak(if we are winning)
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la lazio č una fede č noi siamo i suoi discepoli! Forza Lazio!!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 12:30:28 PM » |
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personally i think 4-4-2 is the best formation generally and for lazio as well. But if coach reja wants to play with 3 CB i'll have to go with debez87 formation and line up
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 05:55:58 PM » |
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I do like Debez's lineup except I'd rather see Bresciano start over Brocchi. It's not that big of a deal for me if Brocchi starts over Bresciano as long as he stays the hell away from our free-kick walls  |
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 07:59:00 PM » |
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i have to agree that bresciano over brocchi sounds good as well.
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...I AM THE REFLECTION OF THE SUPPORTERS !!! Paolo Di Canio
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 08:25:24 PM » |
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Looking at some of these formations has made me worry we'll have defensive problems this year
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 01:56:41 AM » |
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Since we are doomed to play with 3 defenderds at the back the best thing to do was to reinforce the central line of the defence. I guess it is going to be our weakest point as it was in the friendly against Deprotivo. And I am not sure how functional Lich and Garrido are going to be. So with 2 defensive midfielders a trequartisa behind the two strikers is a good option.
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armlaziale,why am i a spammer???im more a lazio fan than u will ever be,i have spent thousands of pounds going to see lazio,so i think i have more of a right to voice my opinions than u.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 06:26:54 AM » |
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... for me strengthening the defensive lines doesn't help much. Yes would be great if Barzagli came in for Dias, or came in for Biava, whatever the plans are - but the problem will always be that the likes of Diakite would come in to fuck things up, or, moreover, we will ALWAYS have this problem of FB's who are not comfortable wingers.
A point I'd like to make regards Maicon. He effectively does what Reja wants Garrido and Lichsteiner to do. Despite the fact that neither are as good as him, that isn't the issue, but, for me, it's interesting that Inter do NOT play 3 at the back. So there really is something to be said about a straight 4-4-2. In that, FB's bomb on whenever the player think's it's necessary, then he knows when to come back i.e when the opposition is attacking. With a 3-4-fucktard formation, the player thinks... eh... what should I do now, attack or defend? What am I supposed to do? When exactly do I track back and stay up because I'm basically an acting winger.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 06:43:48 AM » |
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4-4-2 was the formation of the 90's. No one use it now, although its my all time fav formation. Today, 4-3-3 takes the place as formation who allow fast transformation from defense to attack and quick counter attacks. 4-3-3 is personification of modern football, like it or not. With Reja we aren't getting nowhere with his stupid 3-5-2 no matter in what variation you use it. For this formation you MUST have 2 wing backs who have great physical straight and are very fit. Coz the formation itself demand the two w-backs to carry the game. Now I wonder why on earth we give such roll to one of the greatest r-backs in serie a and thus making him and both Garrido nothing more then an extra on the field. The formation also demands 3 strong defenders which we don't have at this point. But I'm no factor in Reja decisions and will learn to live with his stupid mistakes. Forza Lazio anyway  ---- (this is not response to theo's post. I post it now but it was written years ago. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 09:18:58 AM » |
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Muslera Lichtsteiner Dias Radu/Stendardo Garrido/Radu (Radu MUST play, but could OFC play on two positions...) Ledesma Bresciano Foggia Hernanes Zárate Floccari 4-2-3-1, since that's the only way I can fit both Foggia and Zárate into the XI. Sadly that means Il Capitano will be on the bench, but ultimately I believe this is the best line-up we could field. I hope for Santa Cruz and Carmona as well, I think both players would be extremely good back-ups, and both have Spanish passports as well  |
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