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« on: January 21, 2010, 02:55:38 PM »

 


I went to the liberty of copying and pasting our entire roster, got rid of youngsters, and just focused on first teamers or no hopers. Youngsters (Barreto) may fall into that but we'll never know.

Anyway, he we are. The first team roster.

1          GK    *Albano Bizzarri
2      DF   *Stephan Lichtsteiner
3      DF   Lionel Scaloni
4      MF   Fabio Firmani
5      MF   Stefano Mauri
6      MF   Ousmane Dabo
8      MF   Matuzalém
9      FW   *Tommaso Rocchi (captain)
10      FW   *Mauro Zárate
11      DF   *Aleksandar Kolarov
13      DF   Sebastiano Siviglia (vice-captain)
17      MF   + Pasquale Foggia
18      FW   Stephen Makinwa
20      FW   *Sergio Floccari
21      FW   Simone Inzaghi
23      MF   Mourad Meghni
24      MF   Cristian Ledesma
26      DF   *Ştefan Radu
28      DF   Guglielmo Stendardo
32      MF   *Cristian Brocchi
33      MF   Roberto Baronio
68      MF   Christian Manfredini
74      FW   Julio Cruz
79      DF   Riccardo Bonetto
81      FW   Simone Del Nero
86      GK   * Fernando Muslera
87      DF   Mobido Diakité
88      GK   Tommaso Berni



Let's debate who is entirely useless. I've put a star next to the ones who I would like us to keep. And I would like us to keep the players in that list who I personally regard as having some worth - that could be monetary value for future transfers, or being good enough to actually play for this team.

+ Is an exception. The player has better skills then most of the others but is best served as a makeweight in a transfer deal.


If nothing else, apart from repeating points ad nauseum, this thread is a real eye opener to how much shit Lazio have collected over the years, most of this has come since Rossi's first season!

Btw if there's any glaring omissions post and I'll put them in. There's some fucktards on loan somewhere I'm ignoring.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 03:05:45 PM »


1           GK    *Albano Bizzarri
2      DF   *Stephan Lichtsteiner
3      DF   Lionel Scaloni
4      MF   -Fabio Firmani
5      MF   Stefano Mauri
6      MF   Ousmane Dabo
8      MF   *Matuzalém (I don't think he's that bad, he's a good sub!)
9      FW   *Tommaso Rocchi (captain)
10      FW   *Mauro Zárate
11      DF   *Aleksandar Kolarov
13      DF   -Sebastiano Siviglia (vice-captain)
17      MF   * Pasquale Foggia
18      FW   -Stephen Makinwa
20      FW   *Sergio Floccari
21      FW   -Simone Inzaghi
23      MF   *Mourad Meghni (Sub)
24      MF   Cristian Ledesma
26      DF   *Ştefan Radu
28      DF   *Guglielmo Stendardo (Sub)
32      MF   Cristian Brocchi
33      MF   -Roberto Baronio
68      MF   -Christian Manfredini
74      FW   Julio Cruz
79      DF   -Riccardo Bonetto
81      FW   -Simone Del Nero
86      GK   *Fernando Muslera
87      DF   *Mobido Diakité
88      GK   Tommaso Berni



Theo, ur a Brocchi supporter?


(-) = players who can go IMMEDIATLY for free!
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 03:08:36 PM »

Yes I am 

Give me one reason why I wouldn't be. He gets criticism because he is old... and yet he runs more, passes better and is more agile then Cruz and all of our shit midfielders who are younger then him. He cannot shoot very well but is actually one of our better midfielders (Which I admit isn't saying much). Unless you care to disagree. Arschloch? 
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 04:13:59 PM »

Hahaha. yes, Ive got a list like this on my pc, all the names, most never used, most shouldnt be here. I will admit, removing Cribari from that list this mercato was a relief. The day we get to remove Makinwa, well, it could be second to Christmas.

1          GK    *Albano Bizzarri
2      DF   *Stephan Lichtsteiner
3      DF   Lionel Scaloni
4      MF   Fabio Firmani
5      MF   Stefano Mauri
6      MF   Ousmane Dabo
8      MF   Matuzalém
9      FW   *Tommaso Rocchi (captain)
10      FW   *Mauro Zárate
11      DF   *Aleksandar Kolarov
13      DF   Sebastiano Siviglia (vice-captain)
17      MF   *Pasquale Foggia
18      FW   Stephen Makinwa
20      FW   *Sergio Floccari
21      FW   Simone Inzaghi
23      MF   Mourad Meghni
24      MF   Cristian Ledesma
26      DF   *Ştefan Radu
28      DF   *Guglielmo Stendardo
32      MF   *Cristian Brocchi
33      MF   Roberto Baronio
68      MF   Christian Manfredini
74      FW   Julio Cruz
79      DF   Riccardo Bonetto
81      FW   Simone Del Nero
86      GK   * Fernando Muslera
87      DF   +Mobido Diakité (sub)
88      GK   Tommaso Berni

Selling/removing half of these would reduce the wage bill and give us some money to invest elsewhere. Say getting rid of 7-8 of these raised 10 million, and saved a further 5 million in wages, we could then bid for a quality CB land put the rest towards a midfielder.

Diakite I would keep for the moment as back up, if only to sell on or exchange if he continues to disappoint. Stendardo on the whole has not done bad since his return, even if he has not done great in his last two games. He's above siviglia and cribari. Matuzalem has been poor for us, but we could earn something from his sale. We won't though, Ballardini says he has 'extraordinary characteristics'.

The players in bold have been a drain on this club for too long, one way or another.

Baretto also would be on the to keep list.

I had real trouble deciding over whether or not to keep Makinwa.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 04:30:36 PM »

Would agre with all, but Stendardo isn't useless as a sub and I don't share Theo's distaste for Matuzalem.

As for Brocchi, I've said that since day 1 - he's good at his role - pitbull and garbage man and he's got loads of experience which helps on a young team.


Oh and I may be looking into copyright infringement on the title of this thread.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 04:55:32 PM »

I like Lazio365's opinion. But I don't like Matu and also he is breakable. Despite all your hatred for Baronio I would leave him as a reserve. Sometimes he is useful. Before Theo attacks me: I said reserve
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 05:14:44 PM »

* - keep
** - keep as reserve/subs

1      GK    *Albano Bizzarri
2      DF   *Stephan Lichtsteiner
4      MF   **Fabio Firmani
9      FW   *Tommaso Rocchi (captain)
10      FW   *Mauro Zárate
11      DF   *Aleksandar Kolarov
17      MF   *Pasquale Foggia
20      FW   *Sergio Floccari
26      DF   *Ştefan Radu
28      DF   *Guglielmo Stendardo
32      MF   *Cristian Brocchi
74      FW   **Julio Cruz
86      GK   * Fernando Muslera

Some of the players marked with (*) should be subs when the team has been properly reinforced and then players marked with (**) should be gone.

* - loan/transfer
** - free transfer

3      DF   **Lionel Scaloni
5      MF   *Stefano Mauri
6      MF   *Ousmane Dabo
8      MF   *Matuzalém
13      DF   **Sebastiano Siviglia (vice-captain)
21      FW   **Simone Inzaghi
23      MF   *Mourad Meghni
68      MF   **Christian Manfredini
79      DF   **Riccardo Bonetto
81      FW   *Simone Del Nero
87      DF   *Mobido Diakité
88      GK   *Tommaso Berni

Some of the players marked with (*) could be tossed away for free for all I care but they should have at least some kind of market value.

* - die in violence
** - die in hunger and poverty

18      FW   *Stephen Makinwa
33      MF   **Roberto "I can hear you screaming my name" Baronio


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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 06:12:52 PM »

Keepers
9      FW   *Tommaso Rocchi (captain)
10      FW   *Mauro Zárate
11      DF   *Aleksandar Kolarov
17      MF   + Pasquale Foggia
20      FW   *Sergio Floccari
26      DF   *Ştefan Radu
28      DF   Guglielmo Stendardo
32      MF   *Cristian Brocchi
86      GK   * Fernando Muslera

Guys who could be used as exchange
1          GK    *Albano Bizzarri
2      DF   *Stephan Lichtsteiner
5      MF   Stefano Mauri (Napoli were sniffing I believe)
87      DF   Mobido Diakité

Useless
3      DF   Lionel Scaloni
4      MF   Fabio Firmani (Kind of like him but skill wise? Should go)
6      MF   Ousmane Dabo
8      MF   Matuzalém
13      DF   Sebastiano Siviglia (vice-captain)
18      FW   Stephen Makinwa
21      FW   Simone Inzaghi
23      MF   Mourad Meghni
33      MF   Roberto Baronio
68      MF   Christian Manfredini
74      FW   Julio Cruz
79      DF   Riccardo Bonetto
81      FW   Simone Del Nero
88      GK   Tommaso Berni
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 08:37:54 AM »

Interesting. Everyone has slightly different opinions from each other... though equally there is a lot of common ground.

A couple of players stood out for me that seem to split opinion (Baronio as even a reserve is not going to get any attention, less said the better)


Matuzalem - Cost us 6.5 million. Has provided one league goal. And I'm not sure how many assists. I bet it's less. Plus he's always injured. Worst thing is, we are stuck with him until 2014. He signed a 5 year deal when he joined.

Diakite - IMO there is no logic at all in keeping him. Aside from the visual torture it is to see him run with his hands near his genatalia all the time, he is clumsy as fuck, not very agile, has no real concentration, no pace, garbage spacial awareness and barely any tackling skills. IF you try and beat him in a high ball you'll probably lose, but otherwise, forget it.

Btw, I also disagree with the common consensus that the likes of those 2 and others like Mauri, Cruz and some of the other lesser good players but not totally shit players we should keep because they would make good subs. Mah. The whole point of substitutes is either to replace tired quality with fresh legged quality, or to bring somebody on who can affect the result of the game, either get a goal or help keep it tight.
The last thing I want from this team is to think, hey, it's 1-0 with 10 mins to go, let's bring on Diakite! Or, we need a goal, let's bring on Mauri/Matuzalem (happened before) That makes things much much worse! All the crap players should go. I do not accept that mediocre players should be used as subs.

I'm talking pie in the sky of a complete revamp here!
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 08:49:21 AM »

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You want total revamp here? No problem. My opinion is:

Zarate, Kolarov, Musy, Foggia, Barretto stay. Everyone else, turn in your jerseys, Ballardini turn in the ball bag and pylons, Lotito empty your desk you have 15 minutes to get the F@#k out of Formello. Manzini can also stay.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 08:57:08 AM »

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I would still keep Rocchi, Brocchi and Lich, we need substitutes too. 


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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 09:09:52 AM »

@Marc

Please justify Foggia. If at all possible try not to mention the past.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 09:24:04 AM »

With a better coach and a more talented team, I think Foggia would be an asset. He needs a team with a decent defense, otherwise he's a disaster because of his lax defensive skills. Balla wants him to fit into the mess of a men over talent defensive schemes he attempts.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 09:27:38 AM »

^

Don't you think he's had his fair chances? He has under achieved.

Plus whilst it's easy on the eyes to watch a fast dribbler in modern football.. the fact Rossi and now Ballardini don't really fancy him as a regular.. is there something on the training ground that we fans don't know about then?
Honestly, if we can get any sort of good deal for him, particularly for a good CM, he has to go.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 11:02:08 AM »

Get rid of all the players who have any shread of European heritage. Keep all those otherwise.
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