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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2010, 05:58:32 AM » |
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This used to be the 'Pie in the Sky' discussion thread, but I thought I'd change the name of it because I want to put on record by hopes and dreams for the Summer Mercato and beyond.
As myself and Comrade Lativm discussed last night... there needs to be more then a few player signings to try and save this trainwreck of a team. I do not let a few good performances from players/managers whoever distract me from the bigger picture.
So I figured the more I talk about it, I could tempt fate and it would make it happen. Beats not trying I suppose.
- Firstly, Lotito has to back off, it's the next best thing for him to do, since we all know in our heart of hearts he won't Vattene. He needs to cross the t's and dot the i's on contracts, and sign the cheques for player investment, listed below. Don't do a sodding other thing.
- Secondly is the first casualty. Tare. Replace him. We know some of the names that have been linked. Very much a new director of Sport needed.
- Next, a new general team manager. Someone to sit on the bench in the Lazio suit and look the part. King Angelo is linked and in all truth is likely. Bring it on.
- A new mister. Yes Reja has done well but I do not see him as a long-term project. I have always thought of him as a stop-gap to hopefully keep us up, which it looks like we have all but guaranteed, barring the most frightening circumstances. Miha would be great, but so would Allegri if possible, or even better someone completely fresh from abroad - new ideas to the table.
Moving on to the player staff; my interpretation is as follows and it's only one main point:
* Strengthen the bench, which would automatically mean that the first 11 is better. This is my ideal bench for next season;
Bizzarri, Dias, Stendardo, Ledesma, Mauri, Barreto.
Rather then the useless bench we have now, this is actually a decent bench with players that can make a difference. As you can see, nowadays we start with 4 of those players. We cannot build our team around the likes of Mauri and Ledesma, at the end of the day they just aren't good enough. Hence, onto acquisitions;
2 New fullbacks (if we get a manager who wants 4-4-2) 2 New CB's 2 New Wingers 3 New Central Midfielders ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Possibly one more striker at the expense of Zarate if we can please sell him, if we don't, forget it.
And finally, for sure, players that need to move on, one way or another, basically away from the team and not even on a bench, just a rough guide.
Makinwa, Meghni, Cruz, Foggia, Matuzalem, Del Nero, Baronio - tons more of course, you know most of them.
That is what we need in my opinion. That is what is absolutely required to get us back into the top 8. How likely any of that is, is down to Lototti.
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« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2010, 09:53:46 AM » |
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The problem is beyond who can stay and who goes. The following can stay IMO Muslera, Zarate, Radu, Dias, Ledesma, Floccari, Kolarov, Rocchi, Lichsteiner (bench: Stendardo, Mauri, Bizzari, Brocchi) but we need to upgrade a few of them as well if we want to seriously improve ourselves.
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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2010, 10:24:29 AM » |
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I like your ideas, T but don't u think it's absurd to happen? U want 9(!) new players! We are no man city here u know. I think totally essential are at least one new winger and two new inner midfielders. And if we say Kolarov two full backs would be nice. Sell Zarate for sure. We all see what he is capable of. Nothing. If we can get someone similar to his style but with more quality would be nice.
I like Edy and I am not sure if he should go or no. It depends on the objectives for the next season. If we are aiming for the top 8 he must go but if we are going to have some shitty season like this where we should fight for staying he must stay ( and God pls no season like this! pleeeeeease! )
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« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2010, 10:57:05 AM » |
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Lotito will sign no cbs this year. I'm positive of this. He will sell kolarov and might pick up a left back, but I doubt it. Radu can play left back anyway. The important thing to pick up here is midfielders. We need 3 dam good midfielders. We need midifelders that can dribble and run at defenders. Mids like pastore. What a talent he is.
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« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2010, 11:03:21 AM » |
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As you guys mention we need a new management, getting in some Lazio guys like Peruzzi or even Patarca back if that is anyway possible.
Then the players, I want to keep Muslera, Stendardo, Radu, Dias, Rocchi, Floccari, Brocchi, Foggia and Lichtsteiner. Players who should leave in order to raise some money for new signings, Kolarov, Mauri, Matuzalem, Ledesma and then I'm torn over Zarate, a part of me wants to keep him put another wants to sell. And Diakite to go somewhere on loan, i haven't completely given up on that guy just yet. Rest of the players can all be released or sold.
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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2010, 11:21:58 AM » |
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I like your ideas, T but don't u think it's absurd to happen? U want 9(!) new players! We are no man city here u know. I think totally essential are at least one new winger and two new inner midfielders. And if we say Kolarov two full backs would be nice. Sell Zarate for sure. We all see what he is capable of. Nothing.
Damn, no pwnage to be found here!  To be honest I do not think it's absurd. Yes it's absurd with our president but actually, if you think about it, we are so far behind the teams in the top 8 (either in terms of points or definitely in quality), that it would take something cataclysmal like my suggestions if it's going to happen anytime soon. Now, we all know Lototti likes to be a man of 'projects'  so it would be up to him to which pace to do things, which is why I'm trying to be radical about things because I do not approve of waiting 5 years for things to happen! Sell Zarate and still get 20 million, if we leave it any longer, we're fucked. Next, Kolarov to go and that should be another double figure sum, probably around 10. Bearing in mind that we already have millions in the kitty that Lotirtio didn't spend in January which we will use for Floccari. This money is EXTRA and not part of the Summer budget i.e Zarate situation. 30 million (plus whatever extra we can get for getting rid of all the useless retards) into 8 players = a per player value of 4-5 million minimum which obviously can go up or down depending on age, with that you could get some up and coming youngsters, some non useless solid players aged between 25-28. Blah blah blah. With a better scouting network and Tare gone, I'd fancy better quality players coming in. Whether it's going to happen or not is not really the debate. The debate is, whether it needs to happen and what.
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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2010, 05:51:40 PM » |
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As you guys mention we need a new management, getting in some Lazio guys like Peruzzi or even Patarca back if that is anyway possible.
Then the players, I want to keep Muslera, Stendardo, Radu, Dias, Rocchi, Floccari, Brocchi, Foggia and Lichtsteiner. Players who should leave in order to raise some money for new signings, Kolarov, Mauri, Matuzalem, Ledesma and then I'm torn over Zarate, a part of me wants to keep him put another wants to sell. And Diakite to go somewhere on loan, i haven't completely given up on that guy just yet. Rest of the players can all be released or sold.
I have always believed we thought alike my friend and this post is exactly what I would have said. You have my backing. Though, I dont know what the hell your picture below your name is. To add.. looking at the players that Laziogimp and I would keep, we need a creative midfield. This season has proved that our defense is just fine and like imperlativm said is better than most defenses in the league anyway. Lazio here looking at the names is missing a player who links the mid to the forwards. I was hoping Matuzalem would do it, he got injured after paying 8 million for him, Mauri cant do it... I was thinking something along the lines of Ederson. We need a creative mid and maybe take off the pressure on Zarate to attack every time.
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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2010, 04:37:06 AM » |
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Aquile89, it is Bruce Campbell fercrissakes.
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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2010, 04:10:58 PM » |
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We need a creative midfielder yes but more on the visionary and distributive side than the run and gun dribbling kind. From what I have seen of Ederson is limited but he did not stand out in any of the CL games I watched. We need another Liverani who like pirlo sits back and plans the attack. Once the ball gets to a player like mauri/zarate up the field then its simple speed, dribbling and tick tack toe passing to the strikers. This link was needed for a long time and probably the one missing factor that lead to our horrible CL campaign. Our strikers are stranded too often but releiving the pressure from zarate has nothing to with it, he has had plenty of chances to shoot and put passes together that were not dependent on a creative midfielder.
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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2010, 08:13:33 AM » |
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^^^ much as I'd like to have him horsewhipped at times, I think Zarate will turn out. There is of course no rational basis for my feeling, just a hunch. So there.
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2010, 10:39:34 AM » |
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^^^ much as I'd like to have him horsewhipped at times, I think Zarate will turn out. There is of course no rational basis for my feeling, just a hunch. So there.
I think many of us share this maybe because of his 1st season. I don't want him sold I think he is talented and does enjoy playing for Lazio and has th desire to.. thats rare for us these days I just don't want to see us waste it
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2010, 11:09:08 AM » |
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Only agree with Point 3 that we can't recoup the money at this point in time, buy high and sell low not the best strategy. Zarate has speed and dribbling skills which will remain permanent but that doesn't give him class above others. He could turn out well but its getting to be a very big IF after this season as he has the same number of goals as Mauri. He's not adapting he tries the same move over and over and it never works, defenders have figured him out hardly permanent. He is an idol of the CN, can't figure out why, Di Canio was hardworking and respectful to the CN while Zarate is a wasteful ballhog that told them to shut up. Can't see the connection. Its been said to death but our budget can not wait for this guy to turn up, for 20mil we need results now, if we paid 5Mil fine take all the time you need.
Ledesma's time is up if he comes of the bench its one thing but we need someone in the central mid that can really control the flow of the game and start pulling strings, Ledesma on too many occasions is a ghost. Same thing with Mauri a few decent games but we need better + consistency if we really want to start climbing the standings to europe again.
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« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2010, 02:00:19 PM » |
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3 days without internet can be really hard  .anyway good to be back online.The way i see things are :bring some former players back in the club. See shit players GO, we all know who they are or at least be all have our own lists which are quite similar. Quality players coming to the team. Ohh and the most important thing lotito VATTENE. But that's too much to ask from our "great" presidente
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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2010, 07:40:21 PM » |
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Great post. Although I think Mauri will stay and he has actually managed some consistency over the last couple of months. Add Meghni to the list of departures. The guy will never get fit and we may score some cash for his talent with the ball. Maybe he'll score a great goal at the WC (if he is fit) and someone will pay up.
I'd keep Ledesma if he agrees to stay purely because a quality regista is so hard to find.
Zarate is a must keep for 3 reasons - 1. class is permanent. At some stage we will see the magic again. 2. He is still an idol to everyone in Curva Nord and 3. All that aside, we won't recoup what we paid, not this summer.
Getting Lazio guys back into the club is a must for us to become serious again, but with Lotito I doubt it'll happen.
I think Mauri will stay as well but I would like to see him go for the same reason I want Ledesma to go, too inconsistent. Ledesma can make a killer pass in games but sometimes he just disappears and Mauri can be really frustrating as well. In our quest for glory  we need consistent performers who can be relied on for a whole season. + I believe if we find a buyer for Ledesma (8-11 mills maybe) we can easily get a better player for that amount (that's how low I rate him). And on the Zarate issue, he reminds me kind of Javier Saviola. A player who can do it all, he has technique, pace, gets past players, but there is something missing that keeps him from kind of exploding into a top top player (hence playing in Portugal at the moment). And I don't know if it's just agent talk but some reports say that Arsenal and City are willing to pay 15 mills for him. But still I'm torn over him... Ledesma's time is up if he comes of the bench its one thing but we need someone in the central mid that can really control the flow of the game and start pulling strings, Ledesma on too many occasions is a ghost. Same thing with Mauri a few decent games but we need better + consistency if we really want to start climbing the standings to europe again.
Didn't see that until I finished my post but totally agree.. 
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« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2010, 07:30:49 AM » |
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Aquile89, really tickled me that you have found your soul-mate in LazioGimp, based on the criterion that he also wants Foggia to stay, and nothing else. Be honest, that is the case  The Mauri issue is a dead and buried one because I believe he has signed a contract with us until 2013 or 14. I want him out because I fear he will be a regular starter with us for the forseeable future, and he cannot provide us the consistent quality. He may have been decent in the past 5 or so games but in the past 3 seasons he has sucked royally. If he has to stay, if we are to advance to top 10, or glory as described by LG, he absolutely cannot start games unless there are injuries to people 'ahead of him' after we sign such players in the mercato. He absolutely has to have a permanent bench role. The Zarate issue is not dead and buried however. I can understand why people want him to stay but there's far more evidence in my opinion that means we must go. Class is permanent? That would apply if Zarate has only sucked for about 10 games. He has sucked for nigh on 30+. Adored by the CN? So is Firmani. Enough said. We can't recoup? No we can't. But the longer we leave it, and the more he carries on with this crap form, the less and less his value will become. This summer is the last chance for us to get anywhere near recouped value. Of course he could prove all of his doubters wrong and have a mega season next season... and we won't know until next season will we. It's a tough one, I admit.
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