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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2010, 08:20:02 AM » |
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All Good Points. Reja's mentality is just the medicine this team needed and beyond our goal of fighting relegation he is the perfect fit for this organiazion for future success. If you consider the demise of both Balla and Rossi they fall apart becasue they can;t stand against Lotito and lose respect from their players. Remember Rossi had a good run, didn't get the reinforcements in the market, stendardo conflict etc fell apart. Only wish this could have happened sooner.
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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2010, 09:37:07 AM » |
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Reja said that we should judge the team after a month. I completely agree with this; whilst I too am intrigued by what positive possibilities lay ahead for us... Ballardini had an impeccable start to things didn't he. When (if) the going gets tough again (in the sense of low morale etc) then we'll see what the players and Reja are truly made of.
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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2010, 10:44:47 AM » |
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^ Absolutely, let's not get aghead of ourselves. But I don't think anyone was terribly impressed with the way we played in those first three matches under Balla. Against Parma, we looked like the better team.
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« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2010, 10:11:18 AM » |
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According to Reja's estimation it is time to cast judgement on the team. It has been a month now. What conclusions should we draw then? Relegation springs to mind. I feel like a fool for enthusing about the faint prospect for a mid-table position this season. Reja's obvious Ballardinian fukk ups cannot be overlooked, but still, I find it very difficult to believe how after all the efforts Reja has made to improve the quality of the team both physically and psychologically the team fails to respond and insults us with lacklustre and spiritless performances like the one against Bari despite everything working to the exact opposite within and without. What can he do? I do not know who to blame anymore. The only thing I want from Reja now, as said several times before, is to stick to the formation and perfect it instead of shuffling around in hope of finding a solution. That should create some sense of stability within the squad if nothing else. Then what? Without the required spirit and will to struggle from the players we will never meet the goal of the season. How much can Reja do in the end in that regard?
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« Reply #64 on: March 15, 2010, 10:23:26 AM » |
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I think this is totally out of Reja's hands. He's stuck coaching a team made up of mostly has-beens and never-was players of overall mediocrity.
Even after mercato this team is still in the same position as it was before since lotito failed to bring any REAL talent to improve the team.
Including myself, most of us slammed Delio .. but he's totally turned Palermo around and on the weekend despite losing they have proven to be a high quality team much superior than Lazio. Goes to show they had good players but a bad coach while we suffer the opposite which unfortunately can't be remedied since lotirchio doesn't give a shit about Lazio.
If Lazio gets relegated it should be no surprise ... in fact according to their track record they deserve it.
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« Reply #65 on: March 15, 2010, 10:39:57 AM » |
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Including myself, most of us slammed Delio .. but he's totally turned Palermo around and on the weekend despite losing they have proven to be a high quality team much superior than Lazio. Goes to show they had good players but a bad coach while we suffer the opposite which unfortunately can't be remedied since lotirchio doesn't give a shit about Lazio.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY  Or I dunno when it was - but your 31 now. Grats. Shame there's nothing on the field to celebrate. I quoted your Delio point because it was interesting. We were not happy with him because we thought we had far better players then to finish 13th or 14th whatever it was. Of course isn't hindsight a wonderful thing - but wouldn't we take that now? It just goes to prove what a talented manager Rossi is - bare in mind that yes, we have lost our best defender Rozenhal and attacker Pandev this season.. but, ultimately, this roster is identical to the one that Rossi had - Ledesma, Mauri et al and we were considerably better last year then this. Everyone is to blame. Everybody, from top to bottom. But the manager's job is to get the best out of his players he has at his disposal. Whoever that be, is down to Lotito and Tare. But the crux of the problem is that Ballardini and now Reja are not getting the best out of what we have got. And just like Ballardini, Reja cannot escape scathing criticism either.
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« Reply #66 on: March 15, 2010, 05:31:13 PM » |
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getting the best of what we have is still difficult, rossi changed formations constantly in his remaining years probably out of frustration. All coaches make mistakes, players to and on the best of teams. We need investment plain and simple, when rossi was here you could kind of imagine how disappointing it is to make CL and then get no reinforcements. Like the boss saying good job well done here is a lump of coal for your Christmas bonus.
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« Reply #67 on: March 15, 2010, 07:48:48 PM » |
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But the crux of the problem is that Ballardini and now Reja are not getting the best out of what we have got. And just like Ballardini, Reja cannot escape scathing criticism either.
What I was after was more about where does his responsibility end and the players' begin. As in, it is too easy to say Reja does not have a clue when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. The four previous games, although he made some confusing decisions in them, were expectedly difficult with the surprising exception of Parma. Bari was the first winnable game we had with Reja, so yes, to blame him is reasonable enough but it just does not cut it for me at the moment. There was nothing that prevented us from winning but the players just could not do it. As you said yourself before: There can be no doubt from now on - it is up to the players to raise themselves and keep Lazio in the division. Reja will do everything in his power to help. But this is a great chance for the players.
I think that is still valid. It definitely was not an easy task to take the reins of the team in the situation where we were and some of the seemingly haphazard tactical decisions could have been risks that had to be taken. At least I cannot even imagine how anyone could just step in and fix things to perfection in the course of 15 games at a club where everything is in shambles. Obviously, if we fail to stay in Serie A it should be clear Reja failed at what he was hired to do but at this very moment I am more concerned about the players' ability than Reja's. I simply cannot believe how spiritless and bereft of will they are.
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« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2010, 09:53:59 PM » |
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The main problem with this team is the midfield. Two crucial games we lost at home this year were catania and bari. Both games we dominated possession but did nothing with it. Our midfield cannot compete in the serie a. In my eyes, ledesma is shit. Matuzalem is hurt again, whatever he is mediocre neways. Im anxiously waiting for foggia to come back. With him back i would play 4 mids with kolarov and foggia on the wings and brocchi and hitzlsperger in the middle.
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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2010, 05:20:59 AM » |
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I simply cannot believe how spiritless and bereft of will they are.
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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2010, 05:40:49 AM » |
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The main problem with this team is the midfield. Two crucial games we lost at home this year were catania and bari. Both games we dominated possession but did nothing with it. Our midfield cannot compete in the serie a. In my eyes, ledesma is shit. Matuzalem is hurt again, whatever he is mediocre neways. Im anxiously waiting for foggia to come back. With him back i would play 4 mids with kolarov and foggia on the wings and brocchi and hitzlsperger in the middle.
agreed, ledesma is useless in relegation battle (as i expected) hitzlsperger has to improve, i think he gives everything if he gets more playing time. And brocchi... I changed my mind about him. I like him :D
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« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2010, 06:03:54 AM » |
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As in, it is too easy to say Reja does not have a clue when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. Which is? I'm after a bit more then just the phrase 'evidence to the contrary' . What is the evidence? I don't need to justify my opinions since we have only won one game since he has took over. Btw, your point which was echoed by Jofo.... didn't Reja come in specifically, and he said as much himself, to raise confidence, get inside the players heads? He promised that much from the outset - he hasn't delivered what he'd promised! And brocchi... I changed my mind about him. I like him :D
All I can really do to that comment is *sigh* and quote you; -.-
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« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2010, 07:24:26 AM » |
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Reja was brought in a little too late IMO. On the field, there is a palpable lack of self confidence. Reja may not be perfect, but he's proven his abilities previously at Napoli, the difference is the team he has. Baronio doesn't see the field anymore, but Ledesma isn't much better (i've never been a fan). Hitzelsperger has been completely disappointing - and that's from a person i had no clear expectations of in the first place because he was generally unknown to me previously!
I've said it before, you look at this team on paper, given the alleged interest in so many of our players by so-called bigger teams and there is ne way they belong in a relegation fight. But football is played on the field and they ain't playing football. If I'm the coach of this team I'm pulling my hair out. When so-called superstars like Kolarov, Zarate, Ledesma and Foggia play the way they do, what the hell can you possibly do with the rest of them?
Again, Lotito is completely at fault that that we are not a top ten team, but bottom 4? That's mainly the players.
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« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2010, 08:26:17 AM » |
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As in, it is too easy to say Reja does not have a clue when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. Which is? I'm after a bit more then just the phrase 'evidence to the contrary' . What is the evidence? I don't need to justify my opinions since we have only won one game since he has took over. Btw, your point which was echoed by Jofo.... didn't Reja come in specifically, and he said as much himself, to raise confidence, get inside the players heads? He promised that much from the outset - he hasn't delivered what he'd promised! Duh, I am not asking you to justify your opinions. I am discussing something that concerns me, not looking for a "right" or "wrong" opinion. You may well say Reja has not delivered what he promised but the question I was originally trying to raise was: where does Reja's responsibility end and that of the players begin? That is what I wonder at the moment. I am beginning to fear he came in too late to rescue the players from the brink of the abyss.
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« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2010, 11:13:45 AM » |
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Duh, I am not asking you to justify your opinions. I am discussing something that concerns me, not looking for a "right" or "wrong" opinion. You may well say Reja has not delivered what he promised but the question I was originally trying to raise was: where does Reja's responsibility end and that of the players begin? That is what I wonder at the moment. I am beginning to fear he came in too late to rescue the players from the brink of the abyss.
Fine, but the only thing that concerns me is the position in the table, and the fact we have a manager that promised to (and continues to promise at the start of every week before training begins and pre-match) knock down the mental barriers that are in the players and help them perform. But now it's gone from that, to... "Mummy, where is the talent? I do not see it  " To answer your question - when the players cross the white line, it's mostly down to them. But not all. What state of mind the players cross that white line in is down to Reja, and no-one else, not Lotito, but Reja. Yes Palermo have some good players, but Zenga wasen't very good at getting the best out of them, and when Rossi has since had success from taking over he said one thing, he said he didn't do anything different, but he just worked on the players psychology. Yet again, I'm repeating myself that Reja said identical things, and yet the results are completely different - that is why I will not defend Reja on this matter. P.S I'm pretty sure that, rather then throwing abuse left right and centre and getting himself banned, that Reja should be on the touchline, using his arms to push us up if by some miracle we score a goal - but no, we score, and I see nothing - he needs to convey to the players non-stop what he wants to do, just like Mourinho does every game. Clearly left to their own devices our moronic players don't know their asshole from their elbow.
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