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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2009, 10:49:06 AM » |
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I may be pessimistic, but not too far from reality...
If we do not lose confidence for the upcoming season because of the possible outcome of this game, I will be satisfied.
Inter has a winning coach with almost the same squad, if not better, from last year. We have a new coach, a new system, and a bunch of unsettled players. This team, without substitutions for Pandev, Ledesma and Lollo will get torn apart by Inter. Not particularly by inter, i am looking at the whole season.
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2009, 11:48:03 AM » |
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Quote from: imperatorlativm on Today at 10:29:28 AM Quote I may be pessimistic, but not too far from reality...
If we do not lose confidence for the upcoming season because of the possible outcome of this game, I will be satisfied.
Inter has a winning coach with almost the same squad, if not better, from last year. We have a new coach, a new system, and a bunch of unsettled players.
This team, without substitutions for Pandev, Ledesma and Lollo will get torn apart by Inter.
Not particularly by inter, i am looking at the whole season. I don't want even to imagine playing with this team all year - what a nightmare.
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2009, 12:45:27 PM » |
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So we will travel to Beijing without them it would seem, and Baronio who played with Brescia last season will fill the void. Quite simply, this issue has ruined our transfer campaign.
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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2009, 01:15:35 PM » |
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I may be pessimistic, but not too far from reality...
If we do not lose confidence for the upcoming season because of the possible outcome of this game, I will be satisfied.
Inter has a winning coach with almost the same squad, if not better, from last year. We have a new coach, a new system, and a bunch of unsettled players. This team, without substitutions for Pandev, Ledesma and Lollo will get torn apart by Inter. Not particularly by inter, i am looking at the whole season. Before you guys start writing off this year, lets first look why we did bad last season and if it will persist to next season. Lost 1-4 ACM, 1-3 Bologna, 0-2 Atal, 1-4 Cagl, 1-3 Samp, 0-3 ACM, 0-3 Chievo, 0-1 Catania, 0-2 Siena. Tied Lecce and Torino 1-1 These are SOME of our losses and the ties from last season. I pick for you guys to recall these loses because we are better than these results shown. I am a true believer that Delio Rossi just had no grip over this club and had no solution to the problem and he said so himself during his campaign with Lazio. We now have a new coach with new ways of running things with fresh tactics. Seeing how much we underachieved(50 points 38 games) and got poor results, i think that this coaching change will do the biggest difference. We already have a great squad CB's aside which Lotito is going to improve on and he made that no secret. Now you might be saying ya what about Pandev and Ledesma and De Silvestri? Lets first look at the easy one, De Silvestri contributed next to nothing as Lichsteiner is a healthy hard working consistent defender, Not needed though it would be nice to keep him. Ledesma did not live up to expectations and was an average player at best, he wasted many chances from the top of the box and his long range chip passes were awful all season. Pandev was injured roughly about 9 games out and played injured almost 1/3 of the season injured, which he even said he didnt tell the media he was playing injured until after the injury was serious. Pandev may even be injury prone this season, he didn't even have surgery to correct the problem if i recall correctly. Not to mention he played very poorly and was diving when he was playing injured. Also, we got another attacking option Eliseu who played very well for Malaga and an international call up was rewarded for him. Pandev in our attack would mean Rocchi or Foggia or Eliseu would be seated, which is not what i would like to see. So before we throw in the towel over the Supercoppa and the upcoming season, lets remember we underachieved and these three transfer targets will not make or break Lazio's season. This is my opinon, some will share it some will think otherwise. Let's look forward to our new CB, the Suppercoppa and the new season with our heads held high and ready to prove we are better than 10th place and an European competitive team.
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2009, 01:45:14 PM » |
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I agree that Rossi had failed on making the most of the team but still, we have an extra competition and really only one addition in the mid. Defensivley we were horrible and nothing has changed. Lotito does not look like he will make any changes until Pandev is dealt with and there are only a few weeks left. Zarate was signed but he was there last year and even with his efforts we barely won the coppa in a shootout. Serie A has dropped in quality at the highest ranking but has leveled out in the whole table. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, this optimism will be crushed by reality once the season begins.
Unless the D is improved we can not succeed, it was a free for all last year. We are better than the results show but simple breakdowns in the D led to huge losses. We played Great against Milan but it was a Melt Down after letting in basically a gift for their strikers. Easy goals lead to self destruct for the team.
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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2009, 02:45:20 PM » |
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I agree that Rossi had failed on making the most of the team but still, we have an extra competition and really only one addition in the mid. Defensivley we were horrible and nothing has changed. Lotito does not look like he will make any changes until Pandev is dealt with and there are only a few weeks left. Zarate was signed but he was there last year and even with his efforts we barely won the coppa in a shootout. Serie A has dropped in quality at the highest ranking but has leveled out in the whole table. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, this optimism will be crushed by reality once the season begins.
Unless the D is improved we can not succeed, it was a free for all last year. We are better than the results show but simple breakdowns in the D led to huge losses. We played Great against Milan but it was a Melt Down after letting in basically a gift for their strikers. Easy goals lead to self destruct for the team.
Agreed. The leagues got a lot better and is recovering, maybe recovered now, from Calciopoli. In the season after Calciopoli we finished 3rd, and yet last year we had a better squad and could only manage 10th. Genoa, Palermo and Napoli have worked miracles on the market this summer and now have added depth and quality depth as well. Even Bologna are looking to be ambitous now due to their buyout midweek. The middle teams are getting better, and lets be honest Juve, with Diego & Melo, and Inter, Eto, Milito, Motta, have too. I guess in essence then we can't afford to loose players like Pandev without replacing them and look to European competition. At some points in the middle of last season, our form was on par with teams in the relegation zone. Unless we improve the D then we will experience similar beatings, they occured too often last year to be considered unusual.
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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2009, 03:30:48 PM » |
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I agree that Rossi had failed on making the most of the team but still, we have an extra competition and really only one addition in the mid. Defensivley we were horrible and nothing has changed. Lotito does not look like he will make any changes until Pandev is dealt with and there are only a few weeks left. Zarate was signed but he was there last year and even with his efforts we barely won the coppa in a shootout. Serie A has dropped in quality at the highest ranking but has leveled out in the whole table. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, this optimism will be crushed by reality once the season begins.
Unless the D is improved we can not succeed, it was a free for all last year. We are better than the results show but simple breakdowns in the D led to huge losses. We played Great against Milan but it was a Melt Down after letting in basically a gift for their strikers. Easy goals lead to self destruct for the team.
Agreed. The leagues got a lot better and is recovering, maybe recovered now, from Calciopoli. In the season after Calciopoli we finished 3rd, and yet last year we had a better squad and could only manage 10th. Genoa, Palermo and Napoli have worked miracles on the market this summer and now have added depth and quality depth as well. Even Bologna are looking to be ambitous now due to their buyout midweek. The middle teams are getting better, and lets be honest Juve, with Diego & Melo, and Inter, Eto, Milito, Motta, have too. I guess in essence then we can't afford to loose players like Pandev without replacing them and look to European competition. At some points in the middle of last season, our form was on par with teams in the relegation zone. Unless we improve the D then we will experience similar beatings, they occured too often last year to be considered unusual. Perfectly put. I hate to debate who's fault is it but Lotito is too slow. Is the "three musketeers" are holding our mercato and progress down then sit to the table and resolve the case.
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2009, 03:39:55 PM » |
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I was really looking forward to the supercoppa and had so much faith that we would see some exciting talent come to the team that might give us a competative edge. Missing 3 players who would be either first string players or great alternatives .. we have 10 days to make some drastic changes .. but at this point i expect nothing. I agree, After tying triestina that should have gave a hint and it looks more like this team is heading for disaster again than moving forward. Hopefully we can get Lugano and figure out pandevs situation soon.
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2009, 06:29:56 PM » |
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Its amazing how everyone crucified Rossi last season for constantly playing Ledesma and now everyone seems to think its the end of the world if he doesnt play against Inter...
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2009, 09:48:31 PM » |
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Its amazing how everyone crucified Rossi last season for constantly playing Ledesma and now everyone seems to think its the end of the world if he doesnt play against Inter...
I don't like Ledesma personally and don't care if he doesn't play against Inter. But the sheer fact that a known starter has to sit on the bench because Lazio pulled its usual 'lets wait til the end of the mercato to do something' attitude. I'm more pissed we're sitting out pandev who's arguably our best player and desilvestri who's probably one of our better defenders despite sharing the spot with lichsteiner. We got smoked by Inter's B team last time we played .. what dillusion does ballardini and lotito have with this team having a chance ?
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« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2009, 10:33:41 PM » |
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Its amazing how everyone crucified Rossi last season for constantly playing Ledesma and now everyone seems to think its the end of the world if he doesnt play against Inter...
I don't like Ledesma personally and don't care if he doesn't play against Inter. But the sheer fact that a known starter has to sit on the bench because Lazio pulled its usual 'lets wait til the end of the mercato to do something' attitude. I'm more pissed we're sitting out pandev who's arguably our best player and desilvestri who's probably one of our better defenders despite sharing the spot with lichsteiner. We got smoked by Inter's B team last time we played .. what dillusion does ballardini and lotito have with this team having a chance ? In few words,with this squad and without Pandev,De silvestri and Ledesma we`ll easilly lose from Inter and if nothing change we will fight relegation this season.
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« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2009, 03:30:28 AM » |
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The art of balancing squad is no easy one, many factors are involved, including factors that are not dependent on the club. I think it is unfair to say we do not stand a chance against inter, this is football and all teams are still trying to find shape. I desire all three players to stay, pandev, silvestri and ledesma...in that order.........but we cant force them and sure they have replacement even though we cant get them yet. Silvestri is more annoying because he is young and has lazio blood in him,Lich is more better by a big margin and silvestri will get his chance, he didnt do badly last term as per game appearance.What is the guarantee that he will get more games in other clubs?!?!?! Ledesma, there is something about him that many coaches see and like, balla has shown his likeness for him and if he stays and balla can finally mould him to be consistent and a champion then lazio will gain.
I look forward to victory against inter and a very bright season ahead.
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« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2009, 07:25:08 AM » |
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Its amazing how everyone crucified Rossi last season for constantly playing Ledesma and now everyone seems to think its the end of the world if he doesnt play against Inter...
Honestly. Ledesma playing or leaving Lazio will NOT have an effect on the quality of our first team Lazio. He is NOT a good player. Just a player who has his flashy 3 games a season. I will say this again. Our coaching was the biggest problem last year and then it was our Defence. Coaching has changed and Defence is bound to come in sooner than later. Let's remember, we are Lazio and we are the team who had to beat notably ACM Juve on 2 games and a strong inform Cassano-Pazzini Sampdoria to win(something Inter COULD NOT do) be here in this tournament. I cant believe i'm reading that we will fight for relegation. Reality will hit like someone said and you will see what a coaching difference can do.
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« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2009, 08:15:59 AM » |
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Its amazing how everyone crucified Rossi last season for constantly playing Ledesma and now everyone seems to think its the end of the world if he doesnt play against Inter...
Honestly. Ledesma playing or leaving Lazio will NOT have an effect on the quality of our first team Lazio. He is NOT a good player. Just a player who has his flashy 3 games a season. I will say this again. Our coaching was the biggest problem last year and then it was our Defence. Coaching has changed and Defence is bound to come in sooner than later. Let's remember, we are Lazio and we are the team who had to beat notably ACM Juve on 2 games and a strong inform Cassano-Pazzini Sampdoria to win(something Inter COULD NOT do) be here in this tournament. I cant believe i'm reading that we will fight for relegation. Reality will hit like someone said and you will see what a coaching difference can do. Yes man. I believe the coaching/managing of the team and squad will be key. Ledesma is a good player but not fantastic, but i always ask, what is it in him that many coaches like and want to have? For me, if he stays and Balla can bring out that thing in him it will be great, maybe 20-25 "flashy" games not 3 like rossi did.
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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2009, 08:27:23 AM » |
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I cant believe i'm reading that we will fight for relegation
I don't think that anyone believes that is the case, but it can't be argued that at times last season we were a shambles and had form of a relegation side, like when we lost four games in a row to Cagliari, Doria, Milan then Fiorentina, and when we lost three in a row later in the season to Chievo, Cagliari and then Siena. Yes, the coaching was poor but its too easy to blame everything on one man, the team and severe lack of effort especially defensively, like against Chievo, was just as attributable. I take your point about Ledesma, but he offers defensive solidity and when we have a dreadful backline we cant just leave Dabo and Brocchi out there. The crux of the team is still very good, Kolarov, Lich, Zarate Foggia etc but the depth defensively is not there are we will have so many more games this season that we must pull our finger out quick and sort our problems out. When Napoli, Palermo and Genoa are doing so, three clubs in Serie B not so many years ago, I have to wonder what out excuse it.
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