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« on: February 18, 2009, 07:35:55 AM »

Hey because I found here many ex Mister Olimpia champions I would like to know something. I'm going to the gym almost a year and I've seen some result but I need some advice from you. I don't know how to add bigger muscle mass so probably I'll try with some supplement like protein powder or creatine. Can some one tell me what this supplement does and are they dangerous or can do harm to you organism. I have heard that creatine can harm your kidneys. Please don't write any post if you are not well inform in this coz is matter of my life here .

Thx in advance and one more thing. I don't want to be bulky and big but to have lean muscles so don't mention any steroid or something.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 08:42:37 AM »

Creatine will definitely help you in building lean, quality muscle, but I would not recommend as a starting point in the world of supplementation. If you are just getting started, you should only be using four things: a protein supplement, glutamine, branch chain amino acids and multi-vitamins.

But we need to take a step back. What are your exercises like? How many days a week are you going to the gym? Please give an example of your average five-day routine.  Also, and just as importantly, what is your diet like? Please also example a typical diet on a training day.  Also, what body type are you (Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph)? How much do you weigh and how tall are you?

If you answer these questions, I will be able to better make recommendations in terms of proper, lean muscle gain.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 09:31:57 AM »

Well first thx for reply.
As I said I go to the gym one year, at the moment I go every day with this type of exercise: Monday-chest, Tuesday-Back, Wednesday-Legs, Thursday-shoulders, Friday-Arms(biceps and triceps) In each of this days at the end of the training I do some abs work out that takes about 10-15 min. I'm very committed and work hard. Well about the diet, I really don't have a diet BUT let get something clear. I don't feed like American, I don't eat nothing from fast food, no soda or cola, no chips very little fried food and eat lots of vegetable and fruits but however can't say no to candy's and Ice-cream. I guess I'm endomorph. The real problem it's that it seems like everything I ate goes into fat and even though I exercising a year I still can't get rid of my belly.

I'm tall 180 cm = 70.9 in and weigh 83 kg = 182.6 lbs.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 10:09:49 AM »

Your workouts seem pretty standard. How many muscle exercises are you doing per muscle group? How do you structure them in terms of sets and repetitions? Also, and VERY important, how much cardio are you doing? I am also an endomorph, so I can make very accurate recommendations with this in mind. What are your present maximum limits for bench/squat/deadlift?

In terms of diet, just because you are avoiding junk food does not mean you are following a diet beneficial to your fitness goals. How many calories do you usually take in a day? What are your main sources of protein? What are the most common carbs you consume? How many meals do you eat a day?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I want to have the best understanding I can.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 10:59:46 AM »

Damn it looks like you are really point out in this things.
It confused me little bit but however I try to answer.

Well, per muscle group I do around 7 different exercises. Depending of the exercise I do 3-4 sets with 10 repetitions. About cardio let say i'm jogging 3 times a week when the  weather is worm but at the gym, not much. My maximum limits at the moment are Bench 80 kilos = 176 pounds, Squat  70 k = 154.3 pounds, Deadlift  70k = 154.3 p.

I don't measure so I don't know how many calories I intake. My main source of protein is tuna, meat (chicken, beef, pork) Eggs. Carbs, black or whey bread although I don't eat much bread. Oatmeal, muesli, rice, potatoes. I eat 3 main meals. Breakfast, Lunch and dinner.  Before breakfast I usually eat muesli and then after a while start my breakfast. Between lunch and dinner I can eat some fruit or nuts and one spoon of honey. I can't eat very late because I have sleeping problems when I go to bed with full stomach so sometimes I don't eat dinner or eat salads of all kind.  Also I drink lot of milk and take vitamins. I fell like I miss some more proteins on daily basis so I'm thinking about taking clean whey protein powder. However I don't thrust all that supplements and try to stay away from them.

I hope I gave all info you needed.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 12:54:37 PM »

I've worked out with competition bodybuilders, personal trainers and wanted to compete myself at one point. I was 220 ibs at one point, benched over 400, squatted 700 and had 21 " arms, 8% body fat starting from an ectomorphic frame at age 17 weighing in at 120 ibs and extremely skinny. I was prett proud of that accomplishment because most of my other friends used all sorts of steroids and couldn't maintain there size and still lifted almost the same as myself.

A things i've always stuck to are always change your routine around and always lift heavy. I focused mostly on strength training and my objective was just to get stronger and with that I always got bigger. A bodybuilders diet is not a healthy one and I've taken supplements such as creatine, glutamine, protein etc. As for a strict diet, i'm the wrong person to ask. My rules were pretty basic and I ate whatever i wanted for the most part. Creatine by far the best to see quick results although don't overdo it. I can talk forever on the subject even though I don't even workout anymore since my life has much more different priorities. If your going 3 days a week I would break up muscle groups such as:

1) Back/Shoulders
2) Chest/Arms
3) Legs

This is just one variation. There's a million ways of working out and it also depends on what your goals are. My goal was just to get BIG and i got there by always challenging my body. Like anyone else I started bench pressing only 100 pounds, and got to the point where the bar would bend with the amount of weight I'd stack on. Core strength exercises to use are definately (bench, squat, deadlifts, cleans).

If your trying to build strength and size stick to high weight and low reps. If you plan on "cutting up" do the opposite.

I have no ambition to return to my old routine or looking like a freak. But if it comes to strength training or bodybuilding I definately know how because I've done it.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 01:18:15 PM »

Wow you were really, really into it .
I only want to get fitness body, you know like a athlete and not to by big and bulky. The only think that bothers me at this stage is that my arms are to tiny but my belly is still here. So i wonder how to take the fat off and to put little mass in my arms and chest. I think maybe high protein and low carb diet  will do it, however I want more experience advice.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 01:52:30 PM »

Triceps:
Dips (my favorite exercise but hard if your not used to it)
Close Grip Bench
Push Downs with a V-Bar
Seated Over the head one arm extensions

Biceps:
one-arm concentration Curls
EZ Bar Curls
Hammer Curls

I'll try and post pics later of these exercises cuz i'm sure they don't make sense.

There are so many exercises and everybody has their preference. As long as you work out with intensity, don't take long breaks and not turn into a chatter in the gym you'll see results. As lee haney use to say "no pain, no gain, you remain the same!"

I stopped working out 5 years ago. Although this topic has reminded me to get my ass back in the gym.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 02:06:16 PM »

Don't worry I understand all those exercise. My motto when I first go in the gym was "no pain no gain" and it really works. Well it's like that about the hole live I guess.
 Damn Latius, you look like a guy I like to go to the derby and kick some merda asses.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 02:10:46 PM »

Damn Latius, you look like a guy I like to go to the derby and kick some merda asses.

lol I hope this will happen
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 03:45:31 PM »

Damn it looks like you are really point out in this things.
It confused me little bit but however I try to answer.

Well, per muscle group I do around 7 different exercises. Depending of the exercise I do 3-4 sets with 10 repetitions. About cardio let say i'm jogging 3 times a week when the  weather is worm but at the gym, not much. My maximum limits at the moment are Bench 80 kilos = 176 pounds, Squat  70 k = 154.3 pounds, Deadlift  70k = 154.3 p.

I don't measure so I don't know how many calories I intake. My main source of protein is tuna, meat (chicken, beef, pork) Eggs. Carbs, black or whey bread although I don't eat much bread. Oatmeal, muesli, rice, potatoes. I eat 3 main meals. Breakfast, Lunch and dinner.  Before breakfast I usually eat muesli and then after a while start my breakfast. Between lunch and dinner I can eat some fruit or nuts and one spoon of honey. I can't eat very late because I have sleeping problems when I go to bed with full stomach so sometimes I don't eat dinner or eat salads of all kind.  Also I drink lot of milk and take vitamins. I fell like I miss some more proteins on daily basis so I'm thinking about taking clean whey protein powder. However I don't thrust all that supplements and try to stay away from them.

I hope I gave all info you needed.



Thank you for all the information. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have deduced that your fitness goals are as follows:
- Burn excess fat
- Build lean muscle, not bulk
- Target fattier areas (stomach, hips etc)

I have a few suggestions to make in various areas.

Firstly your diet:
You should be taking in 2g of protein for every kg you weigh – about 160g.  Try to increase the number of meals to five a day, but reduce the size.  Eat raw vegetables – you get more nutrients from them in raw form. Eat only complex carbs – potatoes, oatmeal, whole wheat pasta and sweat potatoes. Try to avoid bread, as the yeast in it makes your body retain water. All protein you take in should be lean. Tuna, fish, lean beef, turkey, low-fat cottage cheese and egg whites.

Secondly, your workout:
Cardio. You should be doing at least 45 min of cardio 4 times a week if you want to burn fat. In terms of weights you mentioned doing 7 exercises per group: you should be doing a max of 5 per major group and three per minor. Overworking is very damaging to your growth and also to your tendons and joints.

Now, in terms of supplements:
Whey protein isolate is 100% safe. You need not worry. There is nothing anabolic or metabolic about it, and it puts no strain on your kidneys, liver or any other organ. Your muscles need protein during recovery periods to regain and grow. Branch chain amino acids are another supplement you need to look into. Though your body produces them naturally, the added supplementation will assist you in synthesising the protein you take in so more is converted to muscle growth and less to fat. Again, branch chain amino acids are 100% safe. Thirdly, you should get glutamine. It helps your muscles recover, and also builds your immune-system.

For an example of day-to-day diet (so you have a clear understanding) I have included mine:

Total calories 3300
Protein: 350g

0600: One serving of BSN True Mass with water, multivitamin, Leuter (branch chain amino acids), BSN Nitrix, and Siberian tiger ginseng.

0815: Egg salad (five whites, one yoke) on whole wheat bread, a banana and two fat-free yogurts.

1030: Whole boneless skinless chicken breast, half a cup of brown rice and a tomato.

1330: Two cans of tuna in water (drained)

1430: BSN Nitrix

1500: 16 oz steak and a half cup of brown rice

1545: Pre-workout mix and Leuter (amino acids)

1700: Weight training

1800: One serving of BSN Cellmass. Cardio for 45 min.

1845: Protein shake, with added glutamine

1930: Salad with can of tuna (in oil)

2015: Protein shake and two heaping table spoons of low-fat cottage cheese

2030: Serving of BSN Cellmass

2100: Bed
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 08:20:23 AM »

THX a lot Pia Fidelis. You really hit my goals there and your advice was great. You look like very dedicated in these and I wish you luck and results. Thx about the supplements and diet advices, I really was missing some information. If I have more questions considering fitness I'll be glad to ask you guys. Thanks again.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2010, 09:40:08 AM »

Not bad butt I miss vegetables, Broccoli etc... is see a lot Protein very good 
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