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« Reply #6750 on: September 02, 2010, 10:58:54 AM »

^^ I think they sell Boriello jerseys on the Roma site. Zarate has a bad season and you want to trade him for Sboriello of all people. Maurito had a bad season, but I don't think anyone anywhere would take a 28 year old Boriello whose had 2 good seasons in 11 playing mainly on loan at Treviso, Reggina and Empoli. Out of curiosity, why is this product of the Milan system unable to find space at Milan? why is he bounced from small-club loan to small-club loan for the majority of his career? Why does he barely spend a season at Milan before they ditch him? Why did he not go to Juve when it seemed obvious he would?

Number of times Boriello has broken 10 goals in 11 years? 3
Number of consecutive 5+ goals seasons? 0


No thanks. Think I'll keep Maurito.
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« Reply #6751 on: September 02, 2010, 11:44:12 AM »

^^ I think they sell Boriello jerseys on the Roma site. Zarate has a bad season and you want to trade him for Sboriello of all people. Maurito had a bad season, but I don't think anyone anywhere would take a 28 year old Boriello whose had 2 good seasons in 11 playing mainly on loan at Treviso, Reggina and Empoli. Out of curiosity, why is this product of the Milan system unable to find space at Milan? why is he bounced from small-club loan to small-club loan for the majority of his career? Why does he barely spend a season at Milan before they ditch him? Why did he not go to Juve when it seemed obvious he would?

Number of times Boriello has broken 10 goals in 11 years? 3
Number of consecutive 5+ goals seasons? 0


No thanks. Think I'll keep Maurito.

I'm not a fan of boriello. But I'm a fan of attaining quality players and even more so reality. I like the way you spun that stat above by dividing the number of times he's broken 10 goals in 11 years. Trying doing that stat with floccari and see what you get ?  You can say the same thing about almost any player bouncing around clubs .. such as floccari.

WHERE IN MY POST DID I SUGGEST TRADING ZARATE FOR BORIELLO ? MY Post is pretty clear that it demonstrates that boriello has value.

Your arguments have no value when you discredit a player based on personal taste rather than obvious stats. You choose to wave pom poms for almost anyone that puts on the lazio shirt.  You still wouldn't take him for free though ?

Could it be that this club is run by an idiot on a shoe string budget compared to most clubs and that is why we have become one of the weaker sides in Serie A.

I like to believe the season is fresh and we can hopefully turn things around but the loss to Sampdoria only adds to a trend that shows this club has lost all credibility when we can't even beat our "equals". I like to remain optimistic, buy my optimism is based stats and reason.

What dissapoints me is that I thought we had a better mercato than the merde at one point (especially with ranieri complaining about acquisitions), suddenly on the last day they close in on boriello, who whether you admit it or not is a BIG signing and we fail to close the necessary gaps or sign any more quality.
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« Reply #6752 on: September 02, 2010, 11:52:01 AM »

 


I hate agreeing with people who find someway of defending Edmilson Sanchez Cribari, but I must agree with Marc on this one. I do no want Borriello, Merda are welcome to him. He is an egotistial and arrogant fuck. He scores a few technique goals for Milan last season and he demands a 1st team place. I cannot remember the last time he passed to anyone, he just moans like a bitch. Remind you of anyone? We already have one of those in the team - and I was the first to say that unless he scores a minimum of 10 league goals for us this season (not including penalties since he won't take those) then we should get him out in the Summer. I stand by that.

Now, Lotito opened his cancerous mouth and said that the reason they didn't follow through with Puntero was because they feel they are adequately covered up front and will see again in January. So, if Zarate or more likely Foggia fails to deliver, there's every reason that Puntero will come in January. Lugano, also, is extremely likely in January.
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« Reply #6753 on: September 02, 2010, 12:08:51 PM »

Yeah, but tbh, how many players do we have left over from Zoff's days    What I prefer with 3-5-2 is the fact that more people are involved in the middle of the park, and in my opinion that's the best way to face a 4-4-2 team. 4-2-3-1 is trickier to play against, but the advantage is that the lone striker is up against lots of defenders, so in theory that would work well.

The formation issue is an interesting debate. For me one of issues with 3-5-2, or 3-4-1-2, is that we don't have the wide players for this model, or so it seems. Lichsteiner will give anyside a battling edge and quality in the defensive department, usually, but his ball in the final third does not seem to be up to scratch. Whether or not Garrido's is any better, or worse, I shall wait and see. Now it is true that the merda did play this way in their Scudetto win but in Cafu and Candela in the same roles they had superior players in the final third. Cafu was world class, probably the best attacking right back of the modern era. Maicon is getting there however.

For me, as Theo outlined, the 4-3-1-2 used at the start of last season would be more appropriate now especially as Hernanes is in tow, as it bridges attack and midfield with the treq and still allows a strong three in midfield, with the four at the back in their accustomed roles.


With regards the Boreillo debate, I don't care a player has an ego or not so long as he can deliver for the side. Ibrahimovic and Sneijder both have ego's, the formers is so big it is unbelievable, but they are amongst the best in the world and play for the team. I'm not the biggest Boriello fan in a the sense of his playing style, but he does what he is supposed to do. That is put the ball in the net. 14 times in 26 Serie A games last year, 19 times in 35 games for Genoa the year before that. In between he was injured. He is on the same level as a Gilardino, which is why Milan got rid of him because in Robinho and Ibra they have two vastly superior players. Its an ok signing for the merda, but it doesnt change how there season will go I feel.
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« Reply #6754 on: September 02, 2010, 01:01:04 PM »

Now, Lotito opened his cancerous mouth and said that the reason they didn't follow through with Puntero was because they feel they are adequately covered up front and will see again in January. So, if Zarate or more likely Foggia fails to deliver, there's every reason that Puntero will come in January. Lugano, also, is extremely likely in January.
heard that before

Lugano should have already come, but Ill take him in January(fingers crossed)

as for all this Borriello talk. he has talent, and WILL help  . he was a great role player for AC Milan. as for EGO, no good player is with out. Borriello was more than capable of putting it to the side, and playing for the team IMO. I would have taken him over RSC, with out question. that being said, FUCK him! I want to hear/read no more about that Bastardo di'Roma.
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« Reply #6755 on: September 02, 2010, 01:35:45 PM »

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Your arguments have no value when you discredit a player based on personal taste rather than obvious stats. You choose to wave pom poms for almost anyone that puts on the lazio shirt.

Damn straight! I hope anyone we sign plays to their absolute best.

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It could be and is. But we had a good mercato. Refusing to recognize that even Lotirchio didn't do to badly doesn't make you realistic. Not that it absolves him of past stupidities.

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like to believe the season is fresh and we can hopefully turn things around but the loss to Sampdoria only adds to a trend that shows this club has lost all credibility when we can't even beat our "equals". I like to remain optimistic, buy my optimism is based stats and reason.


Sorry but that's pretty weak optimism if it's broken by one game. Sorry, but I saw some good things against Samp, not perfect by any stretch, but optimistic signs anyway.

As for the merde signing, you are making fatso Adriano and Boriello into superstars. It does nothing to take away from the fact that we signed Hernanes Garrido and resigned Ledesma and Floccari. If we get Lugano as well I shall be more than happy. But that's just being realistic.
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« Reply #6756 on: September 02, 2010, 02:56:59 PM »

Expecting the absolute best from a player on Lazio is a given.  But I don't have to be a cheerleader for lotito just because he is the president just like i'm not going to praise or make shit up about how good players are just because we signed them or try to find some good in mediocre players. Not my style.

I don't care if we resigned everyone on the team from last year. I look at the POSITIVE ADDITIONS to the team. Garrido doesn't count as i've said before because he replaced kolarov who chances are is probably not as strong since man city chose to offload him and take kolarov. It's common sense. And nobody knows if this guy is good or not. You probably didn't hear about him until 2 months ago.

As i said before, 1 positive addition .. hernanes.

Your right, deciding the fate of the season on 1 game doesn't make sense (which is not what i did) but it still adds salt to the wound from a garbage season we went through last year. Remember i look at stats, emotional decision making is for women.

Let me break it down like this ... If we did shit and sign 1 good player and another team does good or great and sign 3 good players .. what are our odds going to be like in the season ? So this is why i say our mercato is heap.

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« Reply #6757 on: September 02, 2010, 05:35:26 PM »

For Lotito-mercato, I'm more then happy. Of course with little more effort we could end up having one more defender and striker, which would turn out to be perfect.

Borriello for free?!?!?! Mah, do you really believe that he would like to come here??? Despite we being fans we must understand the reality and its that Lazio haven't gone above 10th place in the last 3 seasons. I wonder how we can still be "attractive" for the most players.
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« Reply #6758 on: September 02, 2010, 06:04:33 PM »

stop arguing, lotito confirmed today that Lazio is shooting for a CL spot. so that's settled, market was a success. if we need players they will come in January, when Im sur we will be in second place.

that felt good, wish I believed it.

 I wonder would lotito be more irritating if he just told the fans the truth. he's just trying to build a team that can be mid table, maybe win a cup or two, and pay as little out of pocket as possible.
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« Reply #6759 on: September 03, 2010, 01:44:36 AM »

Yes. Mediocre midtable team, that's just it. I don't know if lotito is aware of the other teams, but he expects a 4th spot after a single valuable addition to a team that was near relegation whole season long, pathetic. We cleared most of our garbage, still alot to be done, if we continue this way in januray and add Lugano it will be a progress but still not a Cl team for sure, but competitive with Samp, Palermo, Napoli, Fiorentina, Genoa and merda. Not to forget about the formation issues, it is a major headache too.
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« Reply #6760 on: September 03, 2010, 08:19:00 AM »

How we can expecting Champions League spot? I wish we do it but our  upper-level players are few.We have good transfers ,Garrido,Bresciano,Hernanes are very quality.But we still playing with Biava,Dias,etc. If we can join 1 defender and 1 midfeldier,it will be great.

I want to say something about Lugano,I follow him about 3-4 years.He is defender which we trying to find it.But transfer season closed in Turkey.Are we still  have chance to transfer him?
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« Reply #6761 on: September 03, 2010, 08:24:36 AM »

All this talk of CL football again. Humerous. I wonder what a world without Lotito is like, it's been ages since I knew how it felt. I can only hope it happens soon, when I am still young and full of energy. I don't want to wait until I'm 50 for Lotito to VATTENE.

We are so far from coming 4th in this league it's not even funny.

Yeah, but tbh, how many players do we have left over from Zoff's days

Speaking of Hayk's headaches. Roslagen, I'm afraid you are missing the point. Whether 3-5-2 is the best formation since ever bare sick I love it, or not, is not the issue. The issue is what's best for Lazio. 4-4-2 is in Lazio's DNA, sure, but that can all change if the time is right, sure. However, under Rossi, the time was NOT right. The players at our disposal were best suited to 4-4-2, and for me nothing has changed. We do not have 3 quality CB's therefore we are handicapping ourselves by playing this at the moment. We have full-backs who are not good attackers so they are playing poorly in that position. ETC ETC.

Ballardini came into this club, saw what we had, (and reports suggest even asked the players what they wanted) and they said 4-3-1-2, which is closer then 4-4-2 then not. Reja on the other hand came into this club and thought, I'm going to put my stamp on it by making us play 3-5-2. It's wrong and as I said before it's archaic.
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« Reply #6762 on: September 03, 2010, 10:36:15 AM »

Apparently Valencia is interested in RSC as well so we will be potentially battling them for him... not that i really give a shit whether we get him or not but i hope if we do pick someone up it will be someone younger. But a defender should be our priority anyways when that time comes. We've needed a solid CD for the last 5 years and still haven't got one.

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« Reply #6763 on: September 04, 2010, 10:33:30 AM »

revision to the squad. reja will be working with only 24-25 players   not 33 as said before. Correa, Artipoli, Manfredini, Quadri, Bonetto and Firmani(and I assume two or three others) will be training separately.would have like to just sell most of them but this will have to do for now.

Alvaro Gonzalez might see time in the next game against Bologna. as what? Its not clear. with the formation at play, I think he is more than likely going to be used as one of our floating wingers. being that he is said to be fast, and shouldn't displace anyone but DelNero.
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« Reply #6764 on: September 04, 2010, 06:05:17 PM »

So apparently Reja got cold feet at the last minute

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