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« Reply #330 on: February 08, 2010, 12:24:13 PM » |
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It's not a lack of intelligence or ramblings of "diatribes" as the scholar in you puts it. It comes down to pure common sense. Can't blame Ballardini, b/c Lotito put him there. Can't blame the players, b/c Lotito pays them followed by he pays Ballardini and on top of that tells him who to play. Do you really think Ballardini doesn't want to play Ledesma, Pandev, etc. etc. All things lead from the top, so in turn WE WILL ALL CONTINUE TO BLAME LOTITO FOR EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN! And although I never sign my name off with this, as dedication to your posterboy: LOTITO VATTENE!!!  PER SEMPRE P.S Theo's got you down for tomorrow @ 11 for your psychiatric review. :)
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« Reply #331 on: February 08, 2010, 12:54:16 PM » |
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^^ Is your pettiness characteristic or tactical?
@ Theo, a psychiatrist? - thank you for the compliment. With all appologies to Chekov, only the common heard are healthy and normal.
AGAIN, back to the topic at hand, reports are increasingly suggesting Reja. I think that he is a very good fit.
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« Reply #332 on: February 08, 2010, 12:57:59 PM » |
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^^ Is your pettiness characteristic or tactical?
@ Theo, a psychiatrist? - thank you for the compliment. With all appologies to Chekov, only the common heard are healthy and normal.
AGAIN, back to the topic at hand, reports are increasingly suggesting Reja. I think that he is a very good fit.
 I'd just like a little clarification on something if that's ok. If you don't like people who end every post saying, Lotito Vattene, or Ballardini Vattene, what would you have them say exactly. Because if all the people replaced Lotito Vattene with Baronio Vattene, Zarate Vattene, or something that criticizes the players, I have a strong feeling that you would criticize those for not getting behind the team enough. So basically, the people you are referring to cannot win in any circumstances.. you would find their end of posts unacceptable, regardless of what they say. Or maybe they are not supposed to win, is that it? And thus you are a fascist diktat. 
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« Reply #333 on: February 08, 2010, 01:15:49 PM » |
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^^^ Fascist Diktat - yet more compliments - you are a sweet talker!
I'd like someone to actually make a clear argument and stick to a topic once in a while. The reality is I'd really like Lotito to bugger off and take Ballardini with him but it ain't happening (Lotito leaving that is, Ballardini hopefullly in the next 48 hours) and I fear that whatever would make him leave might be a cure worse than the disease. I've said this before, the starting eleven was good enough to beat Catania - so wtf happened? Lotito vattene, doesn't cut it with me as an explanation.
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« Reply #334 on: February 08, 2010, 01:58:42 PM » |
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What happened is the same thing we've seen in the last 60 games since last january. Our starting 11 isn't as good as we might think coupled by the usual bad coaching. But I also did notice at the end of the game all fans eyes were on lototti because most of this mess we're in is MOSTLY all thanks to him. Even after the mercato i don't have much more faith in this team with positive additions Hitz and Floc, the rest were not impressive in fact pretty dissapointing.
IMO, changing coach .. isn't going to drastically change much. I hope I'm wrong and we can see something similar to what delio has done with Palermo in most matches since he started and put Palermo into a comfortable uefa spot and just recently beating our next opponents on the weekend 2-1.
DAJE REJA!
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« Reply #335 on: February 08, 2010, 02:00:04 PM » |
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DAJE REJA!
I just realized that looks like Diarrhea...lol
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« Reply #336 on: February 08, 2010, 02:15:49 PM » |
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I don't think anyone will agree with me, but lotito is not the first person to blame for this mess. He's not on the field, he doesn't decide the tactic and who's gonna play. Of course he's a bad president, his worst mistakes were the pandev case and the decision that Balla is still (or was so long) our coach.
People to blame: 1. Coach 2. Players 3. President
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« Reply #337 on: February 08, 2010, 02:21:21 PM » |
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No that's true. As soon as the players cross the white line, it's down to them. But Ballardini can dictate a lot of what happens on the pitch as well.
Lotito is only responsible for the treatment of players, running the club, and who appears onto the pitch, owing to a mercato, or, as has been found out, people who don't kiss his ass don't play.
But then again, people rightly say that, if there are problems, you start at the top, and work your way down. And, of course, your point 3 is responsible for your point 1... so it's difficult to guess.
It's easier just to say... BALLARDINI, LOTITO, TARE, ZARATE VATTENE!
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« Reply #338 on: February 08, 2010, 02:27:35 PM » |
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I don't think why are we still arguing which is the blame. The man who is most responsible for our current situation is without any doubt: Lotito. He didn't offer Pandev good contract and then he never accepted any offer for him. He put him out of any groups and the logically happened: we didn't got any money for him. Almost the same case with Ledesma. (I hope Lotito still reconsider his position). He lost 2 of the most valuable players to the squad and didn't bring any fresh faces that can replace them. Then the team is going bad. He broke his own record for matches without win and the coach is still there. Then in the winter he didn't do the needed to bring us 2 midfielders when he knows where is our weakest spot. Ballardini is the next to blame of course the head coach always takes the blame. In our case he is brainless romanista wanker. And of course the players are coming next. But what is Baronio for example guilty of. He is playing to his best. That is just his maximum. He can't play better. But the lack of players and the lack of inteligence from Balardini keeps bringing him as unquestionable starter.
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« Reply #339 on: February 08, 2010, 02:30:03 PM » |
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« Reply #340 on: February 08, 2010, 02:32:30 PM » |
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It's easier just to say... BALLARDINI, LOTITO, TARE, ZARATE VATTENE!
I plus BARONIO, DABO,CRUZ,SIVIGLIA AND MAURI
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« Reply #341 on: February 08, 2010, 02:34:46 PM » |
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I don't think anyone will agree with me, but lotito is not the first person to blame for this mess. He's not on the field, he doesn't decide the tactic and who's gonna play. Of course he's a bad president, his worst mistakes were the pandev case and the decision that Balla is still (or was so long) our coach.
People to blame: 1. Coach 2. Players 3. President
Wrong. Getting off topic, but this seems like a whole chicken and the egg thing. If a president acquires mostly mediocre players and hires a mediocre coach .. i dont really expect a winning formula, I don't expect Balla to be a coach like Lippi and I don't expect players like Siviglia to play like Cannavaro. Granted there's a few great players thrown into the mix like any other team but it's all based on lotitos choices to not employ the proper resources when the time came.
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« Reply #342 on: February 08, 2010, 02:53:47 PM » |
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See, this is what drives me nuts. We have some poor players but ultimately Muslera, Lichsteiner, Kolarov, Radu, Foggia, Floccari, Rocchi, Zarate, Brocchi, Matuzalem, Hitzlsperger and I daresay Cruz and Stendardo are not what you'd call mediocre players. Their various degrees of decent and some of them are great at times - though not enough this year. To write off the whole team as simply garbage or mediocre is ridiculous. Clearly, this team has some talent, so what's the problem? I'm hoping a new coach will turn it around - which is what this thread is about.
If you really believe that all of this, and I mean all of this is Lotito's fault then why bother watching or posting at all since he doesn't seem to be leaving? Might as well throw your hands up and come back when he does leave one day.
I think a new coach could have a significant impact, but at this point we're at the last stop - either we turn this around immediately (like try to win 5-6 of the last 15 games) or we're done. A coaching change should have happened before Christmas, but it didn't but this is really the last chance.
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« Reply #343 on: February 08, 2010, 02:57:09 PM » |
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Its Lotito thats to blame for not acting quick enough to remove the ridiculous Ballardini, and thats the main problem we have. Even now as we sit in the red Ballardini still remains. Lotito 'Is giving serious consideration to sacking Ballardini' the reports say. Lotito should have sacked him months ago. Its absolutely ridiculous that a coach in this league can go three months without a win, and now we have gone a further five rounds without another win since the 4-1 against Livorno. Of course, Ballardini has ruined this season totally with his sterile football, useless tactics etc etc, but Lotito just has to say your fired and bring in someone else to at least give us a new lease of life and try to stop this rot. Lotito has not done this yet, and his indecision, time wasting, lack of planning has moved from not only affecting each and every mercato year after year but to now affecting managerial issues. His reluctance however probably has something to do with his ego, it would be an admission that he was wrong to hire him in the first place.
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« Reply #344 on: February 08, 2010, 03:02:56 PM » |
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Lotito Vattene for the future, europe and higher success.
Balla Vattene to avoid Serie B
When bottom team strikers can score 7-8 goals and we have a top scorer with only 3 coaching has to be blamed more than anything. Some of our players should simply not be in serie A, some of them are just not being utililized the way they are supposed to be or even given a chance to play i.e foggia or Rocchi on the bench. Changing the coach is #1, any half brained coach should be able to get this team off the relegation floor. Blaming purley the players for relegation is feable, there are players that are better than those on the bottom teams, its sort of like how inter and milan always blame a couple of injuries for their losses. You can take the fastest car in the world with an amateur driver and still lose the race. Balla's Loser Mentality is a Disease in Itself
As with any company the CEO/President at the top has the highest responsibility, leaving Balla this long was NOT responsible, treating markets like a last mintue bargain bin NOT responsible. Like in a company if the manager is doing fuck all he gets fired by superiors, if the employee is doing fuck all the manager fires the employee. You cannot immediatley in the short term blame the president since it requires a longer period of time to make large scale decisions but has he not had enough time to view the entire scope of this season?
If there is any evidence to support Lotito, Balla or Tare what is it and when did it happen??
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