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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2009, 11:26:19 AM »

Better to have a lion to lead eleven sheep then a sheep to lead eleven lions.

If I were Lotito, the highest paid personal in a team is the coach, and then the players.
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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2009, 11:37:46 AM »

Napoli are off to a great start with their new coach Mazzari and their record in the last 3 games totally puts us to shame.

Napoli's last 3 games since Mazzari took over:

Napoli 1-0 Fiorentina
Napoli 2-2 AC Milan
Napoli 3-2 Juventus

Now who can honestly say that this team isn't better than us this season ? If we pulled off these results my confidence would high right now.

Whoever we get better be credible .. give us mancini!!!!!!


Oh .. and Mazzari was a viable option.
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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2009, 12:24:48 PM »

There was nothing about Mazzari in the summer that made  him (or makes him) any better an option than Ballardini. In fact, I heard more negative responses to the Mazzari option than I did the other options at the time.  Ballardini won his first 4-5 games too.....and now here we are!
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« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2009, 12:46:18 PM »

There was nothing about Mazzari in the summer that made  him (or makes him) any better an option than Ballardini. In fact, I heard more negative responses to the Mazzari option than I did the other options at the time.  Ballardini won his first 4-5 games too.....and now here we are!

True, whats done is done.

But Mazzari was one of the names floating around and was available while we were looking to replace Rossi.

Mazzari's wins are against top clubs and i'd say Napoli isn't that much better than us player-wise. Ballardini is yet to win 4 games with this club unless you count the serie b clubs we palyed in the summer or the shitty team we did beat. His most credible win the supercoppa .. but that win was hardly convincing.

point that i think we can all agree on is that we need a new coach.
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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2009, 12:54:27 PM »

Mazzari's wins are against top clubs and i'd say Napoli isn't that much better than us player-wise.

 
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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2009, 02:03:25 PM »

There was nothing about Mazzari in the summer that made  him (or makes him) any better an option than Ballardini. In fact, I heard more negative responses to the Mazzari option than I did the other options at the time.  Ballardini won his first 4-5 games too.....and now here we are!

What 4 to 5 wins!!??!?!?

Supercoppa, 1st Leg Elfsborg, Atalanta Serie A, Loss 2nd Leg, Beat Chievo, Loss Juve...loss,loss,loss,loss.

To even include the Supercoppa is a stretch since that was the biggest performance of horse-shoes i've ever seen in my lifetime. 

In total Ballardini's wins in all competitions = 5 (2 Serie A, 2 Europa League, 1 Supercoppa)

Questa Squadra e Vergonia.  e Basta.  Please stop defending anything to do with Lazio...they do enough bull-shit for the rest of the soccer planet to hear.  We don't need to add to this...  They are embarrassing as it is. 

And what negative things could have been said about Walter Mazzarri i'd love to know.  The man single-handedly saved Reggina from relegation 2 years ago, took Samp to the Coppa Italia final. Qualified for UEFA...and MOST IMPORTANTLY KEPT ANTIONIO CASSANO CALM FOR OVER 2 SEASONS.  So tell me what's negative about him?
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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2009, 04:06:08 PM »

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Questa Squadra e Vergonia.  e Basta.  Please stop defending anything to do with Lazio...they do enough bull-shit for the rest of the soccer planet to hear.  We don't need to add to this...  They are embarrassing as it is. 

I'm not defending anything to do with Lazio - though it's not anything I'd be ashamed to do. I'm taking issue with this constant logic that second guessing with the help of hindsight should somehow pass as analytical prescience. Mazzari is doing well and Balla is not, ergo, we should have got Mazzarri and ...well we know where this argument ends up (it's the same place they all do). And yes, there were plenty of people complaining about Mazzarri when he was suggested as a possible replacement - partly because in a very similar situation to Balla this year (three competitions, a game every three days etc.) Samp finished in what position?...oh yeah 13th.

None of this is a defense to Lazio per se but it is a defense of logic and honesty. Mazzarri is a good coach and I personally don't mind him. He seems to be doing well at the moment, but I don't recall the big protests in his favour when Ballardini was hired instead - here on this forum or elsewhere. 
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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2009, 04:28:18 PM »


"Very cool. Yet another developing Italian coach who could be superb. Theres no doubt that Italy produce most of the worlds best coaches, they must have a conveyor belt of them over there." - Lazio 365. How wrong can you be 

Haha, where were you opinions by the way, if you had any 

Mancini? GET REAL EVERYBODY!
do you really expect him to want to fork out a wage for a class manager like Mancini?
REALLY?!?!?!

He won't come back, get it out of your heads people. I'm putting my sparkling reputation on it. 

I said that yesturday, don't copy greatness   


PS,  I did say 'could', and in all seriousness now I think Italy do produce excellent coaches in general. Surley that can't be up for debate?
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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2009, 05:14:44 PM »

None of this is a defense to Lazio per se but it is a defense of logic and honesty. Mazzarri is a good coach and I personally don't mind him. He seems to be doing well at the moment, but I don't recall the big protests in his favour when Ballardini was hired instead - here on this forum or elsewhere. 

I didn't protest to get Mazzari OR protested against getting Ballardini, but I can vouch for baggio10 who was adamant on getting Mazzari as coach during the whole coach hunt.

I didn't know too much of  ballardini as a coach to have a strong opinion but judging by his track record I didn't really have much of an impression but still was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt which is something i've learned with new acquisitions of players we get and give them a shot.

At this point it's pretty evident what needs to be done and we don't need to wait until january to remedy this problem. It's clear we have a shit coach who needs an early exit.

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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2009, 05:41:25 PM »

I wasn't really dying to get Mazzarri in June (He lost the Coppa to us and finished below us), sure he has started off really well but time will tell what happens. Over there he has Hamsik who is one of the best midfielders in the world and accompanying him are the likes of Cigarini, Quagliarella, Datolo, Maggio and Gargano to name a few. The Napoli squad is way superior to ours (second to only Inter).

I wanna see an old player come in. Someone who knows the club and is passionate about it. Sinisa would be great (I thought he was really unlucky in some of his Bologna games, they kept losing and drawing but performances were good). In a perfect world Sinisa to manage and Di Canio to assist and learn his trade (never gonna happen though  )
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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2009, 05:44:42 PM »

This is more like which came up first the egg or the chicken. Is it the coach or are players underperforming. I mean Sivigla and Criba won't become any better with any coach and there is our shitty mid .... can this things really change even if we get the world best coach ever.
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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2009, 05:53:06 PM »

. can this things really change even if we get the world best coach ever.

Yeah we'll be a crap team with a great coach....and we'll be the ones supporting them through it all
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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2009, 06:23:46 PM »

. can this things really change even if we get the world best coach ever.

Yeah we'll be a crap team with a great coach....and we'll be the ones supporting them through it all
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True in the end the team is still half the problem and I do agree Napoli team is superior to ours and Mazzari or whichever coach came probably would have had it tough as well.

Ex players who are now coaches:

Sinisa, Mancini, Simeone, Signori

Right now I would take any of them over Ballardini.

No chance in hell DiCanio would have anything to do with this club again under lotito. 

If this team ever progresses again it will depend on how lotito spends his money come january and maybe we'll see this Lazio soar up the table respectably.
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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2009, 06:32:23 PM »

. can this things really change even if we get the world best coach ever.

Yeah we'll be a crap team with a great coach....and we'll be the ones supporting them through it all
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True in the end the team is still half the problem and I do agree Napoli team is superior to ours and Mazzari or whichever coach came probably would have had it tough as well.

Ex players who are now coaches:

Sinisa, Mancini, Simeone, Signori

Right now I would take any of them over Ballardini.

No chance in hell DiCanio would have anything to do with this club again under lotito. 

If this team ever progresses again it will depend on how lotito spends his money come january and maybe we'll see this Lazio soar up the table respectably.

Signori won't happen either. For one thing, he has never managed in his entire life. He is currently director of football at Ternana.

A lot of people are barking up the wrong tree - it's ok to dream, but cmon, do it with a bit of realism.

Mancini is not viable. Neither is Signori. Neither is Guardiola. Ok?

Seriously now. The options as I see it and prefer I've already mentioned. And further still you can probably remove Simeone from the equation. Lotito will never take a foreigner on board, he wants an Italian puppet. Does that rule out Sinisa as well? I hope not, but I don't think Sinisa would ever accept playing rat to Lotito's Pied Piper.


So then, the REAL QUESTION. Who do people prefer,

Marco Giampaolo

or

Mario Baretta?
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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2009, 07:03:35 PM »

I don't know how much either will actually improve the squad in the end marginally better and we need a miracle worker to get anything from the current group.  Giampoalo was just fired from Siena so I don't know what he could possibly provide, Baretta seems like the lesser of two evils again. Your right though we probably won't get a coach like mancini but is it really that impossible, he has not found another squad yet, even livorno were able to get an ex NT coach in Donadoni and I know he was a poor NT coach but we should expect higher since this can have a major impact on the performance. 
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